Tight Play

[Gene2x]

Is anyone playing 15% VPIP and doing well at six-max (full table)? I just saw a chart with the results after 500,000 hands real money play for what I assume is several hundred players. The only hands that the average player made money with were in the top 15%.

You'd think the blind is coming around too quickly to play that tight. I average 45% VPIP myself- almost always taking the initiative from the button, almost never folding BB to a single raise, using position and player reads to make bluffs, etc.

[POKhER]

45% VPIP? Jeeeeeeeeezzzz thats high IMO but hey if you win longterm cool.

Im 21/10 so far(limited sample size)

[Obliky]

Generally...

15% is too tight.

45% is too loose.

Im about 26ish.

[Gene2x]

What do you mean by 21/10? 21 BB per 100 hands at 15% VPIP?

As for how I'm doing at 45% VPIP: After 7,000 hands, I'm doing well (don't want to be specific because number is unrealistic over long term).

[waffle]

21/10 means vpip 21, pfr 10.

vpip > 40 is definitely too loose if you're playing a lot of 5, 6 handed.

dude with pfr = 10 should raise more preflop.

the "gold standard" that this forum agrees is best ranges anywhere between 20/14 and 30/20.

[axioma]

from the description of your play i find it *very* hard to accept you are even a winning player. nothing personal, just trying to answer your question.

anyay, yes 15% is far to tight. on average you say people are only profiting on the top 15% of hands, but this is very easy to explain because on average people arent very good at this game. simple.

the further above average you are, the more hands you can play profitably - but 45% is just far too high for pretty much anyone.

[Gene2x]

Well, here are my numbers straight from PT. Isn't anyone else profitable above 30% VPIP?

[waffle]

47vpip and 43went.. rofl dude, you need to learn how to fold. 6k hands is a drop in the ocean. if i saw you at the tables i would definitely think 'aggro fish'.

[Spicymoose]

It could be profitible to have a VPIP over 30, but it is almost certainly less profitable than if your VPIP was at 30 or below. Even then, you would have to be a really good player.

[Gene2x]

Well, my full-table stats are pretty similar and I have another 4,000 hands from that (see above). Nevertheless, I might experiment with tighter play to see what happens.

I've tried before but just found it frustrating to wait for good starting hands only to have them go down in flames. Maybe multi-tabling would be the solution to address having to wait so long.