Hand from Bellagion 5 Diamond

[Boris]

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She was very graceful after the hand was over, and maybe even felt a little bad about me losing so many chips.

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Giga - I talked to JJ on the phone last night. She was heartbroken that she took such a big pot from you.

[betgo]

She reraises preflop. Then leads out for 1/3 of flop on a K66 board. What hands did you put her on when she reraised preflop? What hands did you put her on when she bet 1/3 flop after reraising preflop? I understand all the reads on the player, but what about the reads on the action of this hand.

Granted, she is weak/tight. However, who folds AK or AA on a K662 board to a known LAG with the money not all that deep? I don't see how she got that far if she is such a bad weak player.

[KneeCo]

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However, who folds AK or AA on a K662 board to a known LAG with the money not all that deep? I don't see how she got that far if she is such a bad weak player.

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1) No one has said she is bad.
2) Gigabet's image is not LAG post-flop, especially against JJ.

[Ulysses]

betgo,

"However, who folds AK or AA on a K662 board to a known LAG with the money not all that deep? "

I was not there and don't know this player, so I have no idea as to how correct Giga's read is in this situation. But, to answer your question:

Someone who can fold and have an average stack with 20-something people left in a 2M first prize tourney or call and go home w/ $20k if wrong.

[yvesaint]

not a known LAG, hes just known for a very wide range preflop, so she def has to consider a 6 to be in his hand

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However, who folds AK or AA on a K662 board to a known LAG with the money not all that deep? I don't see how she got that far if she is such a bad weak player.

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1) No one has said she is bad.
2) Gigabet's image is not LAG post-flop, especially against JJ.

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I am sure there was some discussion among players at the table as to who Gaigabet is. How could his image not be LAG on any street, regardless of how he had been playing in that session?

[citanul]

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I am sure there was some discussion among players at the table as to who Gaigabet is.

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i have no idea why you think that this is the case.

there is no reason for him to be either world famous or have any reputation at all. to most of the world he's some dude who plays poker on the internet.

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[ZeeJustin]

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I am sure there was some discussion among players at the table as to who Gaigabet is.

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i have no idea why you think that this is the case.

there is no reason for him to be either world famous or have any reputation at all. to most of the world he's some dude who plays poker on the internet.

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The Poker world is very small. When you travel from tournament to tournament, you see the same faces over and over. Darrell has recently become one of those faces. JJ is also one of those faces.

[Irieguy]

I already posted this in the STTF, but it seems like the discussion is more appropriate here:

You are making this play because of your level of confidence in JJ's ability to make a mistake (ie, folding the best hand on the river.)

But, there is another mistake she is capable of making; tipping off the strength of her hand when she has a non-foldable monster.

Your line makes it very hard for her to call the river with anything less than KK,66, or A6... but is there a line that would make it just as hard for her to call the river, but easier for you to tell that she's pat?

Your description of her earlier play leads me to think that she could make a mistake on the flop with a nut hand, and is unlikely to try and take the pot there with a hand she would later abandon.

I like the flop check, because the whole point of this hand is to get her to put some money into the pot and then fold at the end. But I would have been inclined to check-raise the flop and lead the turn.

That line really isn't any weaker than the line you took, but it gives her an opportunity to make a mistake and disclose her strength on the flop. Since you really aren't worried about her pushing with a hand that she would fold on the river with (are you?), I would prefer that line as it allows me to save 500,000-700,000 chips the few times that she really has it.

What makes me even more inclined to c/r the flop is the very distinct possibility that she could have AK and wouldn't be able to lay it down on the end. She would definitely telegraph this on the flop and give me a chance to give up.

I think I want to be able to have a chance to give up on this hand considering the relative chip stacks this late in the event. I really wouldn't want to give it all away without at least a chance to uncover my fate if I'm running into something bad.

Irieguy

[J_V]

Great post, I love the line and the reasoning. It's hard not to agree with you assessment that she is only calling with those two hands.

If she raises the turn, do you move in over the top? Or is your turn bet designed to get a show of weakness before you push the river (making it more likely you aren't gonna walk into a monster).

I ask because I see this play late in MTT's online by you and a few of your close friends. Turn lead and if not raises, big push knowing that you are not against the nuts.