Hand from WSOP 2000 NL

HiatusOver · #1 06-25-2005, 12:19 AM

Blinds 200-400 Ante 50...1053 started. 230 people left, avg stack 11,000.

Villian open raises in the Cut-Off. He has a bunch of highly stacked 100 and 25 dollar chips which I think is around 6000 at the time. Folded to me in BB, I have K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. My stack is 6700. I think about moving in but am not sure how much villians stack is and dont feel like asking because it seems weak and no matter what he is getting good pot odds on an all-in call. Also, I read his 5xBB raise as a decent hand with some showdown value 66-JJ, AK-AT, KQ...not sure what else. So, I end up calling 1600 more with 3100 in the pot. I think the PF call is right but I am more than open to criticism. The flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...I have 4700 in chips left. What is my play if he has 4000 left? What is my play if he has 5000 left?

sirio11 · #2 06-25-2005, 01:07 AM

I push this flop, if he has the A so be it, otherwise, it's a very difficult call for him.

HiatusOver · #3 06-25-2005, 01:11 AM

Assuming he has me covered is there any merit to betting 2500 to look stronger?

2005 · #4 06-25-2005, 02:23 AM

I'd be calling preflop with the intention of pushing any flop, so I thin think this is an easy push.

HiatusOver · #5 06-25-2005, 02:49 AM

Gavin do u think there is a chance that a lead of 2500 has more of a chance to be read as an A than a push?

2005 · #6 06-25-2005, 04:27 AM

I'm gonna take this to mean you pushed and he called with something less than an ace. I would push with Ax on the flop just the same as I would with any 2 cards that I would call 1/3 of my stack with preflop. I guess it pretty much depends on whether you think this player is aware of the stop and go as a viable play with your size stack. If he is, then you should fold this preflop.

plaid · #7 06-25-2005, 03:45 AM

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I have 4700 in chips left. What is my play if he has 4000 left? What is my play if he has 5000 left?

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I'm curious to learn why the +/-1000 in your opponent's chip-stack would affect your decision? BTW, it's not in me to make a pre-flop decision to push the flop when I have more than 7xBB remaining, so I would be making a decision here (and given the flush draw and A and being out of position, it would be a large bet -- $2500 sounds good, so does all-in)...but an extra 1000 chips in my opponent's stack would not weigh into that decision, as I would see us as pretty much even regardless (eg: one of us is going to be dead after this hand...whether we're both still playing, with 300 or 700 chips, is not very important IMHO). What am I missing?

HiatusOver · #8 06-25-2005, 04:14 AM

The only reason I gave the 2 different stack sizes was because during the hand I thought he only had 4000 in chips making a check-raise pretty tough...if he has me covered I think I have a chance to check. Have him bet 2000 and raise the rest of my chips, which shows a lot of strength.

Pepsquad · #9 06-25-2005, 05:50 AM

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The only reason I gave the 2 different stack sizes was because during the hand I thought he only had 4000 in chips making a check-raise pretty tough...if he has me covered I think I have a chance to check. Have him bet 2000 and raise the rest of my chips, which shows a lot of strength.

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I think you're overestimating your opponents ability to fold ANYTHING here after investing such a huge chunk of his stack. You should be pushing this flop and he should most definitely be calling...board be damned.

Pep.

Ross · #10 06-25-2005, 11:14 AM

If you do'nt maximise the pressure on your opponent here with this flop you should not have called pre flop. All-in, he has'nt got enough chips for a check raise to work and you need to maximise your chances of winning with a bet he can fold to.

regards

Ross