234x hands

[Mendacious]

For PL I've played this hand 537 times with $377 to show for it. (Not including the times I had A234).


However, if you look only at the times I play 6432, 5432, 4332 & 4322, I have 213 hands and $556 profit (2.6 BB/100s)

So going by the stats I would play these 4 hands a large percentage of the time. They are winners.

[Buzz]

Mendacious - Couple of thoughts.

Thought #1: Seems to me that hands that are double suited (two cards in one suit and two cards in another suit) should and do fare better than “rainbow” hands (one card in each of the four different suits).

Specifically, with respect to the hands you have listed as winners, 6432, 5432, 4332 & 4322, here are simulated results 10000 runs using Wilson’s simulator:

hand.....high.....low.....scoop.....total
6432d....246.....1010.....407.....1663
6432n....189.....1044.....265.....1498

5432d....208.....1138.....446.....1792
5432n....185.....1145.....340.....1670

4332d.....198.....1140.....467.....1802
4332n.....158.....1129.....351.....1638

4322d.....198.....1121.....488.....1807
4322n.....187.....1142.....330.....1659

You can clearly see that the double suited hands in each of your four categories do better than the non-suited (rainbow) hands. Just divide each of the numbers in the total column by 10000 if you want what twodimes.net would report as "E.V."

Those are just simulated results and real pot-limit (or limit) play is different, but even so, you must have had times when you were drawing for something else, ended up with the nut low, and then eked out a scoop with a baby flush. That’s actually not uncommon in a limit game. But even in a pot limit game, doesn’t it happen sometimes?

My simulations show 4432d as faring better than the rainbow hands in the catefories you have listed:
4432d.....215.....1091.....471.....1777

4322d and 4332d would seem better than 4432d, because 23 is more likely to end up as the nut low than 24 or 34. The chief value in having a pair of deuces or treys is the extra deuce or trey provides some counterfeit and quartering protection. The extra four would be less useful in this regard. But even so, 4432-double-suited does better in simulations than any of the rainbow hands in your winning categories.

You seem to completely disregard whether your cards are rainbows, single suited, or double suited. Am I missing something, or are you?

Thought #2: My simulations show K432d as faring better than than the rainbow hands in the catefories you have listed:
K432d.....254.......978.....538.....1770

The K432d hand didn’t fare quite as well as the double suited 4322d, 4332d, and 5432d, but it did win more often in the simulation series than the rainbow hands listed above (and also more often than 6432-double-suited).

I’m wondering if there is a possibility that you haven’t included the K432d hand because you somehow do not play hands with suited kings as well as you play some others. Specifically, maybe your bankroll has taken some punishment when the ace of the flush suit is not on the board and where you have ended up with the second nut flush - or perhaps the opposite is true and you have missed some profit taking with the second nut flush.

I don’t mean this as critical - just a couple of thoughts.

Buzz