Do Online Players Going B&M Have a Lot of Tells?

[TomBrooks]

Does the typical online player who plays at a B&M for the first time typically give off a lot of tells?

[Luv2DriveTT]

Typically - yes. And typically it doesn't matter that much against your average opponent at your levels Tom, you have little to worry about.

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[RiverTheNuts]

the things I have noticed in my first week of B&M play in myself are the following:

I prep my cards to either play or fold before action is on me, so someone paying attention could tell what I was planning on playing before it got to me.

I also act too straight forwardly, and sometimes am too anxious to spit out raise and do it.

Besides that I am very good at looking like a kid with autism, I dont really make eye contact or smile or have any other ticks ive noticed yet

I play 3/6 so it doesnt really matter, raise fast, raise slow, grin while raising the nuts all hand, theyll still reraise and beat you into the pot. Im gonna try and act a little more deceptively in the future, short pauses, rechecking hole cards, glancing around at the board, things that might make worse hands call.

[MagicFlea]

I just played my first live game (4/8) and honestly tells couldn't have been any less relevant. At the loosest point in the game my neighbor and I would literally discuss our winning hands while betting the pot and get called down. As in "watch, all three of those guys down there are going to chase me all the way even though I've already hit my flush... bet-call-call-call, bet-call-call-call, show flush, take pot"

There was also a time that the table was tough but I think at this level people are pretty much playing their hand and not trying to read you.

[PokerCad]

player reads are for the most part are meaningless until the 20-40 range in LMHE IMHO. I think 99 out of 100 players are clueless, or better yet unthinking, until you reach this level. FWIW I can almost always tell an internet player in the B&M simply by the way they handle there chips and place bets (PS this really only applies to the internet players that think they are good poker players, the good WINNING internet players are pretty schooled in B&M and not too many of them play 20-40 or less), again IMHOand unfortunately, not that all internet players are rude, but I find the rudest players are the on-line players, I guess they are too use to flaming other players in their chat browsers [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Don't get me wrong, it is probably just a small minority but it is what I see. As far as tells, the most reliable and easiest to read tell from beginner B&M players (and yes even at the higher limits up to 40-80) that I am experienced at is the subconcious hand trembling when they have a big hand. When I see this I almost always fold unless I have the nuts. Caro notes this also,,,,,Players always think that other players are looking at their face so they focus on not giving anything through facial tells, but the hands are really where the tells are [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[RiverTheNuts]

I shake whether I have the nuts or I am bluffing, or just because I am cold, I think many others are the same way.

I think pumping the pot with the best hand is less nerve wracking than bluffing, I shake less when pumping the nuts.

You are overplaying your hand, sir.

[bernie]

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player reads are for the most part are meaningless until the 20-40 range in LMHE IMHO. I think 99 out of 100 players are clueless, or better yet unthinking, until you reach this level.

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I don't agree.

So you have no reads on a passive table when someone is 3 betting the turn? You can really just put them on anything? C'mon.

The players are thinking, just not that much beyond their own hands. Playerprofiling at limits under 20-40 is pretty easy.

Betspeed is the big one. Online players don't have to worry as much about subtle betspeed tells. Live, they are very reliable.

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[bernie]

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I just played my first live game (4/8) and honestly tells couldn't have been any less relevant. At the loosest point in the game my neighbor and I would literally discuss our winning hands while betting the pot and get called down. As in "watch, all three of those guys down there are going to chase me all the way even though I've already hit my flush... bet-call-call-call, bet-call-call-call, show flush, take pot"

There was also a time that the table was tough but I think at this level people are pretty much playing their hand and not trying to read you.

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The tells are usually more prevelant and beneficial when they are the aggressors, not just calling.

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[TomBrooks]

OK, I guess it doesn't matter too much at the entry level. I won't worry about it.

Just out of curiousity, does anybody ever make any conscious effort when playing online to not show tells as a sort of practice for playing B&M, or to avoid developing a bad habit that might show up unconsciously when playing live?