100-200 Lifeline

[bilyin]

The reason why you do not feel what you have done is unethical is because you are an unethical person.

[roy_miami]

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Anybody have any moral issues with using IM with your buddies at the tables?

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Say what? I'm not gonna defend myself, I'll just say that having moral issues with this is absurd.

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Let me ask you this. Would you have been comfortable asking if the button was any good over the chat window at the table? Or announcing to the table that you and so-and-so will be discussing strategy via an IM during the session?

IMO, it is immoral to discuss strategy with another player while you are involved in a hand no matter what the medium, even if its a simple question like is he any good. I may be a bit biased on this issue because I know of a few guys that I played a lot with that were using an IM during play, I'm pretty sure they were sharing reads on me and developing counter strategies together against me and I know they were colluding by sharing hole cards.

I would not feel comfortable playing with 2 guys using IM at the table especially at a tough high limit game. If I knew 5 or 6 of my opponents were using IM I would get the hell out of dodge before you could even say IM.

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Let me ask you this. Would you have been comfortable asking if the button was any good over the chat window at the table? Or announcing to the table that you and so-and-so will be discussing strategy via an IM during the session?


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If it's an accepted strategy, the answer to this should be yes.

I nearly vomited when I read this thread.

Do your [censored] research prior to going to the table. Not during.

[skp]

IMO, it is defintely a moral issue.

I am sure there are guys who ask seemingly innocent questions like you did while others find out what their buddy folded on a key hand before deciding on a course of action while still others collude every chance they get.

There seems to be a fine line there as to what is cheating and what is not. What you did is clearly not cheating but the whole chatting with another player on MSN or whatever smells bad.

I simply would never do it.

[J_V]

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I am sure there are guys who ask seemingly innocent questions like you did while others find out what their buddy folded on a key hand before deciding on a course of action while still others collude every chance they get.


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An awfully slippery slope, no? I wrote out a long defense of my position, but I honestly feel that my position is so clear that defending it is unnecessary. For those that play online poker as their primary hobby and I know over a 100 probably, everyone talks to other poker players while they play (not in the same game, unless to trash talk.) Talking about hands they've played, other players tendencies, bad beat stories, current tourney stack size, girls they are trying to get with etc.

I want to be clear that the player I IMed was not playing.

If you assumed we were in the same game, then I can sort've see the slippery slope, otherwise not at all.

You've obviously established that your actions are totally legal. I completely disagree.



What you did is not allowed at live games.

PokerTracker and PaHUD are fine in my opinion. There is nothing stopping a live player from standing at tables and recording every play that goes on. There is nothing wrong with a live player paying someone else to watch other tables and record everything that is going on.

As a matter of fact it's more reliable for a live player.
They can be sure the info is recorded accurately. They can record tells as well. And if someone changes their name, it doesn't matter.

I don't have a problem with IMing people either. There is nothing that stops a live player from talking to other players at the table or at another table for that matter. They can discuss strategy, they can even ask other players at other tables about players at their table. So, no problem.

Here is the line that I think you crossed:

You asked another player about someone in your game DURING a hand. AND you are then changing the way you played against that opponent in that SAME hand based on that information.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

As I said before - do your research BEFORE you sit down to play a hand, not DURING.

[J_V]

If the response of the IM is "Big fish." Does that make c/r the flop or turn correct?