33 party - oesd on flop

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Thanks for the reply.

I am going to continue folding this kind of thing. I don't see myself making money from it. I'd love to have a better player explain to me how to make money with such a weak hand in this spot, but until then it's a fold for me.

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T9o is an excellent for playing postflop. Not to be rude, but if you're waiting for Group 1 hands all day, then you're missing alot of opportunities to double up (or less) early on. I rarely go into the bubble shortstacked; the main reason is my postflop play in Levels 1&2 with small/medium connectors. People with one pairs are just dying to give you their chips.

He's getting 5 to 1 for his preflop call. There is no hand preflop that is a 5 to 1 advantage over T9o.

[mosdef]

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He's getting 5 to 1 for his preflop call. There is no hand preflop that is a 5 to 1 advantage over T9o.

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What are you talking about? It's not like he gets to check it down to the river for free from this point on. I don't understand the point of your post.

[jeffraider]

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He's getting 5 to 1 for his preflop call. There is no hand preflop that is a 5 to 1 advantage over T9o.

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There is no hand that is a 5 to 1 advantage over 32o. Do you always complete that hand?

Pot odds can be taken too far, a lot of people seem to have read HOH and decided any time they're getting better than 4 to 1 that it's an instacall with any two.

[Jbrochu]

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There is no hand that is a 5 to 1 advantage over 32o. Do you always complete that hand?

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I complete with almost anything when I'm getting 5-to-1 provided everybody's stacks are deep enough that I also have good implied odds. This probably would not be smart at Party with the small starting stacks but I play mostly at Stars.

[mosdef]

I think that this call preflop is way too loose. T9o is a terrible hand.

Anyway, having gotten into the siutation you're in, leading seems like a bad idea to me too. I guess that you're trying to pick up the pot, but with the hope of catching outs if you're called? That's all well and good, but the flop is not that scary to your opponents so I think this is too risky. Assuming I misclick called preflop, I would check-fold or check-call small bets.

Again, that's too loose preflop IMO. You got basically the best possible flop you could hope for and it's STILL hard to play profitably, as you've seen.

[Slim Pickens]

I don't mind the completion preflop. If the Villain has been underbetting the pot, check-calling (if he gives you odds to) is probably a better flop line than betting. Those kind of fishy players often like to slowplay a set or two pair just like the pros on TV, and since your draw beats whatever he's got if you hit it, let him slowplay into the ground, then overbet if you hit.

As for the turn and river. I think you made the correct play, but it sucks to create your own pot odds to pay off 1/4 of your chips on a draw.

[bluefeet]

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I don't mind the completion preflop. If the Villain has been underbetting the pot, check-calling (if he gives you odds to) is probably a better flop line than betting

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Ditto.

There's no need to "slow him down" with your flop lead. Your loose/weak read is contradictory to this line. He's likely not folding + you should find check/calling a cheaper path to the river.

[jeffraider]

For those who think completing the SB is okay:

What DON'T you complete with and how are those hands so different than T9o?

[mosdef]

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For those who think completing the SB is okay:

What DON'T you complete with and how are those hands so different than T9o?

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I suppose this is a much more succinct way to express my feeling from my post below.

Perhaps it comes from having more comfort playing small stacks in level 3 and 4. Then others would be more comfortable throwing out the occasional wildly speculative bet in levels 1 and 2. But it's not for me.