Any reason not to make this call?

Scuba Chuck · #1 12-08-2005, 02:05 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t2290)
UTG (t753)
MP (t2520)
Button (t615)
SB (t1822)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t753 (All-In), 1 fold, Button calls t615 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t353.

And, would you call with A3o?

rbear · #2 12-08-2005, 02:10 AM

Great implied odds. I make this call all day long. 350 for 2300??? Are you serious?

splashpot · #3 12-08-2005, 02:12 AM

Implied odds? He has zero implied odds. I still call though.

rbear · #4 12-08-2005, 02:15 AM

yea, you never make nut flush, hit a straight, hit 2 pair, or have the only ace. That never happens.

bluef0x · #5 12-08-2005, 02:16 AM

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Great implied odds. I make this call all day long. 350 for 2300??? Are you serious?

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350 for 2k, and there's no 'implied odds' You can't get any more chips once you call.

Anyways I call because you are practically getting the odds required if you were going against something like a pocketpair and a better ace. So, if it's two pocket pairs or not even a better ace out there you are priced in very nicely... and the chance to knock out two people.

lacky · #6 12-08-2005, 02:17 AM

when everyone is all in, there are no extra chips to be made if you hit, ie. implied, good pot odds though

xJMPx · #7 12-08-2005, 02:17 AM

I don't think the 353 you'd save, or the 353 your opponent will gain really changes any of the stack sizes significantly after this hand is over.

Ie., stack sizes are going to be pretty close to even whether you call(and lose) or fold.

I see no reason not to call with the odds you are getting.

splashpot · #8 12-08-2005, 02:17 AM

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yea, you never make nut flush, hit a straight, hit 2 pair, or have the only ace. That never happens.

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Dude, do you know what implied odds are?? The other 2 are already all in. You can't win any more from them. Therefore zero implied odds.

bluef0x · #9 12-08-2005, 02:17 AM

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yea, you never make nut flush, hit a straight, hit 2 pair, or have the only ace. That never happens.

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Eh, you don't know what implied odds are. What you listed isn't implied, that goes into consideration in pot odds.

Shillx · #10 12-08-2005, 02:18 AM

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yea, you never make nut flush, hit a straight, hit 2 pair, or have the only ace. That never happens.

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Huh what does this have to do with implied odds? He doesn't have any in this hand though he does have good pot odds. Implied odds take into account $$ that you can win on later streets. Since everyone is already all-in, you can win any and hence have no implied odds. This is a super easy call though getting 6:1 or whatever. Our hand figures to drag this thing > 30% of the time and we only need to win 1 in 7 or so.