Learning to fold overpairs - JJ

[obsidian]

No good reads on anyone. SB seemed a tad tight over a small sample. I think I needed to call and fold the turn unimproved.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds

[partygirluk]

You have to call the flop 3 bet here. Re-evaluate on the turn. You can make a straight, top set, small chance you have best hand.

[ArturiusX]

This is disgusting.

AT will 3-bet this every time. But even if you're behind, you gotta call and see the turn. You have enough outs.

[Buck_65]

Getting 19:1 I really can't see why you'd fold the flop. You certainly have implied odds to peel and try to catch your 2 outer if you are behind, which you definitely may not be. Not to mention a backdoor straight that counts as at least .5 outs.

[blackize]

What are you so afraid of that 19-1 isn't good enough for you to call on the flop? You need 10-1 if you KNOW he has AA or a set.

[El Ishmael]

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This is disgusting.

AT will 3-bet this every time. But even if you're behind, you gotta call and see the turn. You have enough outs.

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I don't SB is 3-betting an UTG raise preflop and bet/3-betting this flop after being capped with AT.

But he's getting 19:1 so this seems pretty bad.

[El Ishmael]

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What are you so afraid of that 19-1 isn't good enough for you to call on the flop? You need 10-1 if you KNOW he has AA or a set.

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More than that.

[obsidian]

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This is disgusting.

AT will 3-bet this every time. But even if you're behind, you gotta call and see the turn. You have enough outs.

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I don't SB is 3-betting an UTG raise preflop and bet/3-betting this flop after being capped with AT.

But he's getting 19:1 so this seems pretty bad.

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Yes, the 19:1 is the horrible part. But not as bad as people are making it out to be. AT never plays it this way. I say I am behind a set or bigger pair 90%+ of the time.

[obsidian]

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This is disgusting.

AT will 3-bet this every time. But even if you're behind, you gotta call and see the turn. You have enough outs.

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No way unless he is super laggy. I capped from the BB after both an UTG and SB raise (arguably the 2 positions representing the strongest hands). Most players with AT call down my flop raise.

[partygirluk]

TText results appended to pokerstove.txt

519,225 games 0.235 secs 2,209,468 games/sec

Board: 3h 8c Td
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 62.3683 % 60.60% 01.77% { TT+ }
Hand 2: 11.7299 % 09.97% 01.76% { JdJh }
Hand 3: 25.9018 % 25.89% 00.01% { TT-88, AQs+, AKo }