AKo - Time for a laydown?

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Why would you ever fold the turn here given the action. You are closing the action getting 8-1, you have TP/TK and a gutshot. If you aren't ahead, you can almost call for the gutshot alone.

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If we hit our straight I think it's a split. If the pot is bigger sure. I either fold the turn or call down to showdown. There is no calling turn folding river unless both players start going at it.

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I think folding on the turn for 1 bb in this pot on this board with are cards is ridiculous.

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Yea because drawing to 4 outs and maybe not even taking down the pot if we hit is just to good to get away from? Or we may draw to 7 outs if our kings are good vs villains AQ but how often is that?

[Nick Royale]

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Why would you ever fold the turn here given the action. You are closing the action getting 8-1, you have TP/TK and a gutshot. If you aren't ahead, you can almost call for the gutshot alone.

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If we hit our straight I think it's a split. If the pot is bigger sure. I either fold the turn or call down to showdown. There is no calling turn folding river unless both players start going at it.

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I think folding on the turn for 1 bb in this pot on this board with are cards is ridiculous.

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Yea because drawing to 4 outs and maybe not even taking down the pot if we hit is just to good to get away from? Or we may draw to 7 outs if our kings are good vs villains AQ but how often is that?

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Your reasoning is not congruent. You like to pay 2 bets getting to a showdown, but you don't he could have AQ or worse? You don't think he'll he could have AJ? Unless the TAG raises KTs UTG the only thing that would taint our gut-shot outs is CO, but how often will he hold a K? I don't like your reasoning...

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Why would you ever fold the turn here given the action. You are closing the action getting 8-1, you have TP/TK and a gutshot. If you aren't ahead, you can almost call for the gutshot alone.

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If we hit our straight I think it's a split. If the pot is bigger sure. I either fold the turn or call down to showdown. There is no calling turn folding river unless both players start going at it.

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I think folding on the turn for 1 bb in this pot on this board with are cards is ridiculous.

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Yea because drawing to 4 outs and maybe not even taking down the pot if we hit is just to good to get away from? Or we may draw to 7 outs if our kings are good vs villains AQ but how often is that?

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Your reasoning is not congruent. You like to pay 2 bets getting to a showdown, but you don't he could have AQ or worse? You don't think he'll he could have AJ? Unless the TAG raises KTs UTG the only thing that would taint our gut-shot outs is CO, but how often will he hold a K? I don't like your reasoning...

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You never see CO with KQ of spades here? Or KQ of any kind? If they aren't in spades he still have odds to call with his gutshot here on the flop. For our sake in the hand, I don't like calling for our gutshot on the turn at all. We don't have the odds for it and even if we hit, we are probably splitting it 50% of the time. If I ever call this turn, or raise for that matter, it's because I think I have a chance to win the hand if the river comes blank and as this hand have played out, I have a hard time seeing us winning this hand even 5% of the time. We must improve so I fold.

[chief444]

He can't fold this turn. No way. The opponent has another AK more than 5% of the time. When he's behind he often has 7 outs and ~5 discounted. That's if he's always drawing...which he isn't. And he's closing the action.

[7stud]

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Or we may draw to 7 outs if our kings are good vs villains AQ but how often is that?

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Could you explain what that means?

[ackid]

Why didnt you raise the turn here?

[TheHip41]

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Why didnt you raise the turn here?

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Because he's probably not winning. What's the range for UTG here? Seriously, raising is worse than folding.

[Nick Royale]

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Why didnt you raise the turn here?

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Becausea TAG raising UTG preflop bets into me on a AQJx board.

[ackid]

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Why didnt you raise the turn here?

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Becausea TAG raising UTG preflop bets into me on a AQJx board.

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My bad. I missed his stats at the top.

Given UTG stats im calling turn folding river UI.

[W. Deranged]

I am MUCH closer to raising this turn than I am to folding this river.

No way I'm folding this river for one bet.