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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
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You know I really don't know why people want to play terrible hands from EP in the 10/20 where 3-betting is common and imo it's unlikely the gap between your postflop skills and that of your oposition is great enough to compensate for being oop. [/ QUOTE ] I think the thing is that people actually tend to give a little credit to early raises, and fold some hands that they would bet 3betting with had your raise come from CO or button. Also, when you get it HU with a blind, he generally wont be defending as aggressively postlop as he would had your raise been a more obvious steal. |
#12
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
i dont recommend raising QTs or K9s. Id prefer to open raise hands like A8o first. My data isn't huge, but QTs and K9s is suicide here. KTs is barely above even money UTG.
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
Heres what I do currently, not that that makes it right.
UTG: A9s+, ATo+, KTs+, KJo+, QTs+, JTs+, 55+...somtimes QJo but never KTo- not that that makes sense UTG+1: A7s+, A8o+, K9s+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo, JTs+, 44+ |
#14
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
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The real reason I feel I need to make a change is that there is just too big of a gap between my UTG+1 winrate and my Cutoff winrate. I just can't be playing enough hands early. Position - VPIP - bb/100 UTG - 15.67- .07 UTG+1 - 17.95- .07 CO - 23.53- .12 Button - 27.87- .14 There's just no reason, except for not playing enough hands up front, there should be THAT big of a discrepancy in my EP and LP winrate. Agree? [/ QUOTE ] You mean BB/hand and not BB/100, right? Mine are 0.14, 0.10. 0.09, and 0.04. Variance is much worse for seat win rates compared to overall win rates. I truly don't see what the fuss is about. Your numbers look normal and good. Position matters very much and your results are naturally going to reflect that. Anyway, even if we assume that there is a problem, that has little to do with your starting hands. How is adding 2% worth of very marginal hands to your EP VP$IP supposed to have a significant impact on your results? Even if all of your new hands were worth 0.1 BB/hand (really optimistic assumption) when they came up they would still only add 0.002 BB/hand to your overall results for those seats. |
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
Just thought I'd chime in with the "small sample size" warning. Positional winrates converge soooo slowly you could just be running a bit poor in those seats. I'm with stellar that adding a few super-marginal hands isn't going to make the difference.
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
These are from 5/10, so take them for whatever they are worth.
Total hands = 216K. UTG+1(filtered exactly 2 off the button, not a blind, raised first in) AKo =+1990 on 228 times AQo =+1761 on 280 AJo =+1222 on 260 ATo = +298 on 223 A9o = +500 on 194 A8o = +255 on 171 KQo = -93 on 221 KJo =+1007 on 242 KTo = +59 on 171 QJo = +197 on 249 QTo = -412 on 84 AKs = +439 on 77 AQs = +758 on 78 AJs = +429 on 75 ATs = +301 on 70 A9s = +360 on 87 A8s = -19 on 67 A7s = +286 on 77 A6s = +392 on 67 A5s = +661 on 81 A4s = +541 on 59 A3s = +146 on 78 A2s = -206 on 75 KQs = +882 on 73 KJs = -454 on 72 KTs = +200 on 66 K9s = +396 on 70 QJs = +633 on 85 QTs =+1010 on 86 Q9s = +235 on 74 JTs = +113 on 59 J9s = +362 on 43 AA = +2316 on 116 KK = +1709 on 115 QQ = +81 on 110 JJ = +845 on 114 TT = +1453 on 116 99 = +1000 on 134 88 = -130 on 118 77 = +280 on 123 66 = +330 on 125 55 = +130 on 107 UTG(filtered exactly 3 off button, not a blind, raised first in) AKo = +635 on 142 times AQo = +708 on 159 AJo = +371 on 165 ATo = -245 on 132 A9o = +49 on 66 A8o = +11 on 47 KQo = +223 on 149 KJo =+652 on 163 KTo = -35 on 93 QJo = -255 on 102 QTo = +188 on 26 AKs = +96 on 59 AQs = -61 on 67 AJs = +154 on 58 ATs = +33 on 55 A9s = +246 on 61 A8s = +290 on 59 A7s = +147 on 69 A6s = +121 on 48 A5s = +276 on 45 A4s = +234 on 56 A3s = +557 on 60 A2s = +341 on 59 KQs = +218 on 66 KJs = +234 on 37 KTs = +794 on 50 K9s = -165 on 34 QJs = +196 on 54 QTs =+85 on 62 Q9s = +118 on 23 JTs = -56 on 22 J9s = +9 on 11 AA = +1519 on 73 KK = +822 on 82 QQ = +613 on 70 JJ = +1498 on 102 TT = +721 on 83 99 = +368 on 97 88 = +593 on 82 77 = +121 on 85 66 = +411 on 74 55 = +620 on 78 Cartman |
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
at 10/20 6max I play:
UTG: ATo, A5s, KTs, KJo, QTs, QJo, JTs, 55. Sometimes I go lower and sometimes I go higher, it depends on my image and how i've been running. UTG+1: A8o, A4s, K9s, KTo, QTo, T9s, 55. Same thing here. |
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
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I think KTo > QJo. [/ QUOTE ] I much prefer QJ, actually it´s one of my favorite hands and I´m opening it one spot earlier than KT. Any flop with one broadway card and you either have a pair or a good bluffing opportunity with QJ. With KT, you are in worse shape on the Q/J xx flops, than QJ is on the K/T xx flops I think. |
#19
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Re: 10/20 and Opening Up Preflop from UTG & UTG+1
From 1/2 to 5/10 KJo always was one of the worst loser of all hands when it came down to BB/Hand. I guess its not a coincidence, I m thinking about removing it from my UTG-raising standards. Stupid?
It just makes so 2nd best hands so often and now at 10/20 you get 3bet a lot more, too. I always thought KTo was very borderline and I didnt add it to my list but now I am seriously thinking about removing KJo although it seems to be pretty standard. I´m tighter than you are UTG, I´d raise A9s+, ATo+ and I wouldnt even think about raising JTs or QTs UTG for example. |
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