When's the limit to hold on to your low pp?

Dave D · #1 03-12-2005, 01:59 AM

Just had this hand happen. Obviously I'm hitting things wishing I called, but what's done is done. I think I was right to fold because although I'd just been moved to this table maybe 10 hands ago at most, it had been pretty aggressive, and I was worried one of the bigger stacks would go all in after I called and then I'd have to dump my 4s. 140ish left at this point w/ 220 making money in the party 20+2 started at 17:45. Should I have not even called at all in the first place?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (10 handed) converter

SB (t5350)
BB (t37010)
UTG (t28381)
UTG+1 (t6104)
Hero (t15270)
MP1 (t22373)
MP2 (t9460)
MP3 (t1144)
CO (t16660)
Button (t13436)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t2000, Hero calls t2000, 3 folds, CO raises to t3000, 2 folds, BB raises to t6100, UTG+1 raises to t6104 (All-In), Hero folds, CO calls t3104, BB calls t4.

Flop: (t20812) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, CO bets t3000, BB calls t3000.

Turn: (t26812) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, CO bets t7556 (All-In), BB calls t7556.

River: (t41924) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t41924

Results in white below: 
BB has Jc Jh (two pair, jacks and fours).
UTG+1 has 3s As (two pair, aces and fours).
CO has Ah Kd (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: CO wins t41924.

Potowame · #2 03-12-2005, 02:02 AM

fold to the first raise, your hand is weak and there is to great of a chance of the action that took place.

curtains · #3 03-12-2005, 02:08 AM

Your call with 44 is wayyy too loose. This combined with the other hand shows me that you play way too loosely and passively. The worst possible combination in poker. Work hard to fix this if you want to improve your game.

Dave D · #4 03-12-2005, 02:25 AM

The other hand was very specific to that table where looseness was working in the way I described. So are you saying fold the pp even if there was no raise? Or just because of the minraise? I ralized after that I probably shouldn't have even called in the first place... But even after I had, I was correct to fold to the reraise right?

LethalRose · #5 03-12-2005, 02:36 AM

I quickly fold PF, you're being results oriented, you'll go broke paying 2k to see a flop hoping to hit a set, and your not guaranteed to get paid off, either.

curtains · #6 03-12-2005, 02:36 AM

I would fold if there were no raise, but once there is a raise I think it's very clear.

LethalRose · #7 03-12-2005, 02:40 AM

the only time i call this is when im in the BB, SB. on the button id probably raise depending on the blinds.

Dave D · #8 03-12-2005, 02:51 AM

Thanks guys. I think this is probably one of my weak points late game in the multis (which I just started doing), making the transition from bascially auto calling pps to folding them under certain conditions.

Btw placed 65 w/ $100. Reraised a raise from utg for 7k more (17k total) from the bb (folded to me) w/ 4000/2000 blinds with AT. It was dumb, but oh well. He had AKs. Getting fairly low stacked and I'd folded to every steal before, thought I'd catch someone.

curtains · #9 03-12-2005, 02:58 AM

It's okay, keep posting advice on 2+2 and listen to what the top multi players tell you (If you don't know whom to listen to post a thread asking, as some people don't give the best advice.)

If you do this with the right attitude and an open mind you should be able to improve your game a ton.

Tim H · #10 03-12-2005, 03:23 AM

I take Doyle's stance on PP's if the raise represents around 10-15% of my stack and other people/raiser has a nice stack to pay off with I will play them.

No set on flop = fold

In this hand, I'd be down exactly what you were: call the first raise and fold back around preflop