KK, when to let it go

[GtrHtr]

Should I let this go on the turn or chase my 2 outs?

Party Poker 0.15/0.30 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds</font>, Hero raises</font>, SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, BB calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

you cant call that turn if your gonna fold the river, you have to call down on the river or just let it go on the turn.

flop is raise/fold too....

whats your read on SB?

[GtrHtr]

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you cant call that turn if your gonna fold the river, you have to call down on the river or just let it go on the turn.

flop is raise/fold too....

whats your read on SB?

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Yeah, I agree with the raise/fold the flop. Table and SB are a bunch of calling stations. This is a beginner table on PP where I'm clearing a bonus [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Having 6-9 players in the pot PF is driving me nuts and I'm feeling lucky to be even after 1500 hands or so.

[MrWookie47]

Flop is not raise or fold. Why do you think that?

because your hand isnt improving?

oh yeah and why didnt you cap preflop, i just noticed that.... always cap KK

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Flop is not raise or fold. Why do you think that?

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Yeah, it's like a) raise, call a 3-bet, fold turn UI, or b) call to the river, or c) fold.

Regarding a) we let villain define the hand for 1.5 more big bets, and can easily fold the turn UI. We still have 3-ish outs in the bdsd and set.

On b) We pay 2.5 big bets to find out what villain has (or BB's weak ace for that matter)

c) EV=0, but leaves us wondering what villain had.

What I don't understand is why we are calling the turn and /not/ calling the river.

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On b) We pay 2.5 big bets to find out what villain has (or BB's weak ace for that matter)

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there are two villains. doesnt this change this strategy?

[matt hooley]

cap preflop and raise the flop.
given your play, bad fold on the river, you definitely need to show this down.

[Scuba Chuck]

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cap preflop and raise the flop.
given your play, bad fold on the river, you definitely need to show this down.

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Regarding a river call. Is this true even after an overcall? Is this true because of the limit? It would seem to me that once you consider all the betting, a river bet, and overcall, isn't our hero already behind? I agree that if it was HU on the river, I would have to make a crying call.

I'm asking, as I am trying to learn how to save 1 or 2 BBs here or there.

[2+2 wannabe]

Why do people want to raise this flop? To save 1SB in getting to showdown?

The flop call/turn call/river fold is terrible - call the river if you get that far (the river is more-or-less a brick)

fold the flop though - SB 3-bet you, and you're certainly behind with no odds to catch your 2 outer (with another player calling already)

cap preflop too - KK is an awesome hand