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Old 12-06-2005, 02:59 PM
DpR DpR is offline
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Wow are you good! I had to have him read me all the river stats and you're correct (except that it's +75% of the time he doesn't fold OR CHECK the river).

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Not to be a nit, but him checking doesnt enter the calculation. AF is (Bet + Raise)/Call. So when he checks the river the AF doesnt change (i.e. a check-call adds 1 to the denominator of the AF ratio and a check-raise adds 1 to the numerator)
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Old 12-06-2005, 08:22 PM
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If people are paying attention, his folding will be taken advantage of. If people are playing 10 tables and just playing their cards, his aggression factors should deter them for the most part.
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Old 12-06-2005, 08:31 PM
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If people are paying attention, his folding will be taken advantage of. If people are playing 10 tables and just playing their cards, his aggression factors should deter them for the most part.

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But what we've learned is that this stat is very deceiving and he really isn't folding too much at all. Out of 100 instances, he is seeing a showdown well over 75% of the time.
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Old 12-07-2005, 01:11 PM
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If people are paying attention, his folding will be taken advantage of. If people are playing 10 tables and just playing their cards, his aggression factors should deter them for the most part.

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But what we've learned is that this stat is very deceiving and he really isn't folding too much at all. Out of 100 instances, he is seeing a showdown well over 75% of the time.

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Yes, because his turn aggression is causing free showdowns for him in position if he wants it, many people will just check-call any decent holding (therefore never trying to bet it themselves) because they fear a raise. Therefore, the river is probably not bet all that often "by the opponent" and when someone does bet, it is probably an extreme situation than when a "normal" player gets bet into on the river.

Out of curiousity, if one gets c/r or raised on the river, and they fold, does this count as a "fold to river bet" or would these be a "fold to river raise" situation?
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Old 12-07-2005, 01:22 PM
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"Out of curiousity, if one gets c/r or raised on the river, and they fold, does this count as a "fold to river bet" or would these be a "fold to river raise" situation? "

I believe (although I am not 100% sure), this would count as a "fold to river bet". I'm sure someone else could provide a definite answer.
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