First Hand Post...Thoughts?

[einbert]

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Without reads, I'm going to check because I'm going to be unhappy about paying off a check-raise. In fact, with reads, I'm probably still checking unless they're all loose donks who will pay of with weak hands and won't check-raise without the nuts.

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This pot is huge, they are paying off with a wide range of hands (including hands less than flushes and noone is folding a flush here ever). Checking here is a pretty big error IMO.

[Duerig]

I would 3bet the flop and bet the river, call a raise.

[BlackRain]

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Raise the flop, bet the river.

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[DocMartin]

I just call the flop, I dont think you want to blast anyone out of the pot since you are on a draw. 3 Potential folds here sucks.
Turn looks good
As bad as these players are, I think you are beat here and wouldnt blame you for checking although I think the bet is better.

[Aaron W.]

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Without reads, I'm going to check because I'm going to be unhappy about paying off a check-raise. In fact, with reads, I'm probably still checking unless they're all loose donks who will pay of with weak hands and won't check-raise without the nuts.

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This pot is huge, they are paying off with a wide range of hands (including hands less than flushes and noone is folding a flush here ever). Checking here is a pretty big error IMO.

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While you're right about them calling with a wide range of hands, there's not such a wide range of hands that will call three bets cold on the turn (SB and BB), or bet-call-two (UTG+1) or raise-call (UTG+2). The one card J-flush isn't that spectacular in this spot.

[theghost]

call the flop, btr

[TheWorstPlayer]

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If I raised, the whole field would have been faced with calling two more bets. I thought at least one, if not two, would fold.

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Have you been noticing how these people play? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this is indicative of how these people have been playing:
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Turn: (7.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

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I don't think anyone's folding on the flop.

[AlmightyJay]

My first instinct is to check this river.

But might this be a good spot for bet/fold? I highly doubt anything you beat is raising you on this river. But you might get calls by weaker flushes. Of course, you have to be sure no one is capable of bluff c/r'ing the river.

[grjr]

Ok, so what do all you "river-betters" think the SB and BB have? I'm thinking it's at least 50% that both of them have us beat and about 90% that at least one has us beat. Therefore, I'm checking the river.

[silkyslim]

i would like to check the river