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Old 04-18-2005, 01:50 PM
DeeJ DeeJ is offline
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Default Bad colluders

So I'm playing at the table when guys are talking (what appears to be) Greek. Bad start. A couple of suspicious hands where they don't bet top pair against each other, and then this hand...

Seat 1: Player4 ($297.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Player2 ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Player6 ($38 in chips)
Seat 4: BadColluder1 ($458.86 in chips)
Seat 5: Player5 ($293.25 in chips)
Seat 6: BadColluder2 ($115.75 in chips)
Player6: posts small blind $2
BadColluder1: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
Player5: folds
BadColluder2: calls $5
Player4: folds
Player2: folds
Player6: folds
BadColluder1: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Jh 2h 4s]
BadColluder1: checks
BadColluder2: checks
----- TURN ----- [Jh 2h 4s][Ts]
BadColluder1: checks
BadColluder2: checks
----- RIVER ----- [Jh 2h 4s Ts][Qh]
BadColluder1: checks
BadColluder2: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
BadColluder1: shows [Ac Ah] (A Pair of Aces, Queen high)
BadColluder2: shows [9s As] (High Card Ace)
BadColluder1 collected $11.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $12 Main pot $11.50 Rake $0.50
Board [Jh 2h 4s Ts Qh]
Seat 1: Player4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Player2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Player6 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BadColluder1 (big blind) showed [Ac Ah] and won ($11.50) with A Pair of Aces, Queen high
Seat 5: Player5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BadColluder2 lost



I see plenty of accusations of collusion, but what do the team think about this (sorry no converter, crypto not supported).

Anyone translate the following?
BadColluder1:filaraki exei polu kinisi h zaxaro to kalokairi?
BadColluder2: arketi

Or the following

BadColluder1: kampanes
BadColluder2: gamata
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:54 PM
crunchy1 crunchy1 is offline
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Default Re: Bad colluders

I think you written a lot of good posts that I've read.

This is not one of them.
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Bad colluders

If they were actually trying to collude and win money from it they would not have let this happen. That being said, it's reasonable that they agreed not to get involved in hands against each other. This shouldn't effect you too much.
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: Bad colluders

Yeah, but clearly they're sharing cards. This is illegal. Point is, apart from reporting them (which I did already) is there anything else to do to get evidence? Here's an exchange from a bit later :

otherplayer: u guys are not playing each other
bc1: i just won 11.5
bc2: of course not
otherplayer: of course not?+
bc1: re gamw to mouni
otherplayer: one of u should leave
bc1: boys to the game
bc2: maybe you should leave
otherplayer: why?
otherplayer: u think its legal to sit and not play against eachother cos ur friends?
bc1: pame ena kalo
bc2: sure....
bc2: ante pame mwre me ta kolofarda edw pera
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:43 PM
27offsooot 27offsooot is offline
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Default Re: Bad colluders

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Yeah, but clearly they're sharing cards. This is illegal.

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Then why does one of the colluders limp with A9o when the other has AA in the bb?
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Bad colluders

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Then why does one of the colluders limp with A9o when the other has AA in the bb?

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So he can reraise.
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: Bad colluders

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Then why does one of the colluders limp with A9o when the other has AA in the bb?


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So he can reraise.

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yes, if they were using it to their advantage. If they were actually trying to collude, they would not have let that hand go to showdown.
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:19 PM
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They may only exchange information when they need to. The guy with A9 was first to act and may have limped to draw people in? Who knows. Nobody with AA never bets.
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: Bad colluders

they clearly have an unfair advantage and are midly colluding, but they dont know better. theyre not trying to cheat you. they are probably insane fish. if you really have a problem with it, tell pp and they will probably do something.
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:18 PM
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This doesn't worry me at all.

The only thing to watch out for is when they start trapping people and raising. Still a good idea to report, but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.
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