River play?

xenthebrain · #1 04-10-2005, 09:17 AM

Pacific Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero ?

What is the right play here, and would you played it the same until the river?

thesharpie · #2 04-10-2005, 09:31 AM

I'd bet and fold to a check raise on the river. I'd play it the same as you did previous streets.

How is the Pacific poker hand history PT importer or whatever it's called?

kapw7 · #3 04-10-2005, 10:21 AM

These guys called all your bets. At least someone must have something worthy (flush draw-bigger pair-Ten)other than a 7. It is very possible that someone (BB?) made a flush on the river and he is going for the C-R as he puts you on AT/KT/JT (you raised PF).
If you bet its not likely that a worse hand will call (although you get calls form A7 a lot of times). Against 1 opponent you can bet but not two I think.

Dave G. · #4 04-10-2005, 10:35 AM

The last card may have hurt you, so I think check/calling is right. If it comes back two to you you have a hard decision. What are the players like? I'd be very tempted to call. You have a good chance of being best here.

I don't like bet/folding, firstly because you might have the best hand and folding that would suck, and secondly because the smarter players will notice that you fold to a raise on the river even though you've been the clear aggressor throughout the hand. This will encourage people to make moves on you like bluff raises on a scare card and that makes every hand you play at this table harder.

Isura · #5 04-10-2005, 11:49 AM

Check the river. You should call 1 bet though. If it's bet and raise throw it away. Rest of the hand is good.

numeri · #6 04-10-2005, 12:28 PM

[grunching]

This really depends on reads. I have GameTime+ running and look at the WTSD stat. (went to showdown) If it's 40+ for a couple I bet as a value bet. It might be a super thin value bet, though. I guess you have to be able to fold to a c/r from BB or UTG+2 or a raise from button in order to value bet. I'm not sure I could here. So maybe a check/call. Man, I'm weak.

Now to go read how wrong I am. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Redd · #7 04-10-2005, 12:39 PM

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Check the river. You should call 1 bet though. If it's bet and raise throw it away. Rest of the hand is good.

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Word.

xenthebrain · #8 04-10-2005, 05:01 PM

As I reviewed my hand again I think the flop is interesting, too. Not just the river.

Do you think I should have just called here and when a clean card comes reraise the turn to protect my hand?
I cannot protect my hand very good on the flop here and there are a lot of cards that would criple my hand.

Any J-A (16 cards) and any [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (another 6). Any when the boards pairs an undercard both another T and someone who stayed in with an underpair would beat me.

Isn't this a spot whre you cannot protect your hand on the flop and should wait for the turn?

cold_cash · #9 04-10-2005, 05:16 PM

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Isn't this a spot whre you cannot protect your hand on the flop and should wait for the turn?

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What hands are you hoping to protect your hand from?

(Hint: The flush draw is not one of them.)

Will those hands be able to call profitably if you raise the flop?

xenthebrain · #10 04-10-2005, 05:29 PM

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Isn't this a spot whre you cannot protect your hand on the flop and should wait for the turn?

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What hands are you hoping to protect your hand from?

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Overcards, underpairs.

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Will those hands be able to call profitably if you raise the flop?

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Yes, but only by little. My edge is kinda small. If a blank comes on the turn my edge is much greater on the turn and I face these hands with 2BB cold-call and only one card to draw to.