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cockandbull · #1 12-17-2004, 05:19 AM

I think i probably missed a value bet on the river, but vs 3 other people i can't see one pair being good.

BB - LP p from 25 hands 42/0/.26
UTG+1 Sla p 50 odd hands 28/6.3/.77
MP1 LA p from 126 hands 95/42/.9

(my game selection is goot [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $1.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 (poster) checks, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (17 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 17 BB

milesdyson · #2 12-17-2004, 05:29 AM

Dude, I'm drunk right now, but I'm seeing that the PF raiser raises 42% of the time... reraise him and bet the river, please.

cockandbull · #3 12-17-2004, 05:34 AM

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Dude, I'm drunk right now, but I'm seeing that the PF raiser raises 42% of the time

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Drunk, but seeing straight [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Icebee · #4 12-17-2004, 05:39 AM

I too feel the river value bet is auto on this - especially considering the turn actions.

btspider · #5 12-17-2004, 11:17 AM

bet the river and call a raise.

meep_42 · #6 12-17-2004, 11:22 AM

Anyone lean to a 3-bet PF against a loose pf raiser?
Or is the absolute poor position too much to overcome?

-d

cockandbull · #7 12-17-2004, 12:10 PM

I would have 3 bet if so many people hadnt come along, AQs is not quite in my 3 bet range, neither is AJs.

davelin · #8 12-17-2004, 12:20 PM

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I would have 3 bet if so many people hadnt come along, AQs is not quite in my 3 bet range, neither is AJs.

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I think because so many people cold-called is an excellent reason to raise for value. AA-QQ would've probably 3-bet, AK could be a possibility but I think given the loose pfr-raising standards of the villain, you probably have the equity holding to raise.

meep_42 · #9 12-17-2004, 01:27 PM

I agree with AJs, but AQs, to me, is right on the cusp. Being in SB, I don't think I like a 3-bet here, but were I in CO/Button, i'd 3-bet without hesitation.

-d

chief444 · #10 12-17-2004, 02:24 PM

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I would have 3 bet if so many people hadnt come along

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That, along with your read, makes this a very easy 3-bet. Your thinking is backwards here.

You must bet this river also.