Top 2 OOP

macdaddy991 · #1 12-04-2005, 10:58 PM

MP3 and button are both known to bet when checked to. UTG is unknown.

I debated whether to bet or check raise the flop. I finally determined that check raising would be better since I would most likely get a late position bet.

Did I overplay the hand?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (18.00 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 20.00 BB.

hobbsmann · #2 12-04-2005, 11:04 PM

I don't think I 3-bet the turn, but I think it's close either way. Also, raising preflop would have been really sexy.

MisterKing · #3 12-04-2005, 11:07 PM

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Yes. Your two pair is very vulnerable, as a number of turncards produce either a higher two pair for someone else or a straight. Additionally, given the action you may be up against a set. Jamming early seems to me to be what you DO NOT want to do.

Instead, find your aggression on the turn. If you had let MP3 p[ut the last raise in on the flop, it very well might've been checked to him on any non-action turncard (such as the 5h that fell), in which case you could safely C/R and face the field w/calling two cold.

Nick C · #4 12-04-2005, 11:10 PM

The flop is so scary that it's possible you bullied UTG+1 into calling you down with 88 or even 76s. (And UTG+1's flop bet/cold-call, turn raise does represent a big hand.)

Probably I'd start calling down after UTG+1 popped the turn. I'm worried about the 16 available combos of QJ, and I'd really dislike it if I 3-bet and UTG+1 capped.

macdaddy991 · #5 12-04-2005, 11:23 PM

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Also, raising preflop would have been really sexy.

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I'll have to add sexiness to my repetoire.

mowz · #6 12-04-2005, 11:59 PM

I dig slowing down on the turn.

#7 12-05-2005, 12:21 AM

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I don't think I 3-bet the turn, but I think it's close either way. Also, raising preflop would have been really sexy.

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Raising preflop here would have been the smart play, that way you get a large multiway pot with a hand that works great in that situation even though you are OOP.

When he pops you on the turn you are losing this hand the vast majority of times, I would be going into call down mode here since the pot is relatively large.

belloc · #8 12-05-2005, 12:25 AM

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Also, raising preflop would have been really sexy.

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I'll have to add sexiness to my repetoire.

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Well, you *are* the macdaddy. You really should have had it already.

brettbrettr · #9 12-05-2005, 12:28 AM

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I don't see why it would be all that sexy. Live, sure, once in a while. Online, meh.

Yes, its prob a breakeven equity thing. But your OOP-ness sucks for the follow-up. Meh. Maybe its just me but I'd feel the need to bet a ton of flops after raising pre-flop in this spot. I suck at checking, I guess. Not that this would be a flop to check, but others would be, for sure.