Flopped sets are gold...

Leaky Game · #1 09-14-2005, 01:03 PM

Two hand examples....am I getting too aggressive on my flopped sets?

Hand 1....Villian has been attempting to steal blinds all day...40 hands...40% VPIP, 32% raise.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

UTG ($47.35)
MP ($89.75)
CO ($47.70)
Button ($168.80)
Hero ($83.40)
BB ($74.74)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($9) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $15, Button calls $15, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, Button raises to $125, Hero calls $40.40 (All-In).

Turn: ($229.40) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($229.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $229.40

Hand 2...through 29 hands, villian was 79% VPIP and PFR of 28%...he made some awful calls with mp bad kicker.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

SB ($22.83)
BB ($49.40)
UTG ($47.63)
MP ($26.27)
CO ($46.30)
Hero ($113.98)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $4, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($21.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG pushes $40.63 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $40.63.

River: ($103.01) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $103.01

I'll post the results after a few responses but, for the record, I can say this is NOT a bad beat post.

orange · #2 09-14-2005, 01:06 PM

Hand 1 is good

Hand 2, I raise this flop.

Mercman572 · #3 09-14-2005, 01:17 PM

Hand 1 Is perfect, I don't know why you posted it. Hand 2 I pot the flop as you did in hand 1, but this also worked out well for you since you got a nonscary turn. In both situations you were right to get it all in when you did

Leaky Game · #4 09-14-2005, 01:22 PM

I thought about raising the flop but I thought I'd take my foot off the pedal and milk this lag for all he had. Even if he hits a flush, I'm drawing to a boat.

Leaky Game · #5 09-14-2005, 01:36 PM

No other takers?

Hand 1, villian showed a set of 9s.
Hand 2, villian showed a set of hooks.

I've always been under the assumption, moreso in 6 max, that if someone flops a higher set than me I'm going to get stacked. These two hands just happen to be the last two times I flopped a set which begs the question...is my original assumption wrong and I'm playing these too aggresively or do I just chalk this up as bad luck and move on?

(I think I'd be an idiot to lay either of these down but I'm looking for confirmation of that)

Mercman572 · #6 09-14-2005, 01:38 PM

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I thought about raising the flop but I thought I'd take my foot off the pedal and milk this lag for all he had. Even if he hits a flush, I'm drawing to a boat.

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The lag isn't the problem so much, its the cold caller in between. Also, you can't put too much stake in a boat draw, do you really think between those 2 giving action that some of the aces and jacks aren't dead? I'd say there is probably only 1 ace left, 2 at most, and a jack could be dead as well for all you know. Re-raise the flop, you'll likely get one of the two players tagging along, unless you have an exceptional read, but if so it's a read we don't have and can't help you with

4_2_it · #7 09-14-2005, 01:40 PM

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(I'd be the biggest idiot in the history of poker to lay either of these down

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FYP

Mercman572 · #8 09-14-2005, 01:44 PM

there is no place to lay either down. only time you worry abuot set over set is if you played PP lower than 4's OOP to a raise and have other cold callers, which is why I don't play those EP against decent players. 8's tho you can't worry about that, its just tough luck.

#9 09-14-2005, 04:49 PM

I'm LAGgish, but would anyone agree with me that it's +EV to play any and all PP's UTG in NL25/NL50?

Trying to figure out if I should cut off the bottom 3 PP's or so.

4_2_it · #10 09-14-2005, 05:17 PM

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I'm LAGgish, but would anyone agree with me that it's +EV to play any and all PP's UTG in NL25/NL50?

Trying to figure out if I should cut off the bottom 3 PP's or so.

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I usually play all PPs if it is less than 5BBs to enter the pot and villain has at least 50BBs in his stack. Otherwise, I will play it ABC.