another questionable valuebet or check behind

DrGutshot · #1 10-27-2004, 01:00 AM

UTG is a HUGE moron, 76vpip 20pfr. SB is unknown.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: DrG is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, DrG raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, DrG bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, DrG bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (8 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, DrG...?

Scotch78 · #2 10-27-2004, 02:22 AM

Seems like a clear check to me. Against just the moron I might bet hoping for a call from A-high, but against two opponents I don't see you getting called unless you're beat, and with no raises put in anywhere, I don't see a lone queen folding.

Scott

joker122 · #3 10-27-2004, 02:25 AM

Even though UTG is terrible you still have to worry about SB. I check.

stripsqueez · #4 10-27-2004, 02:52 AM

UTG is not a moron - he just likes to play

i was thinking bet - lower pairs and any A will probably call and no-ones done anything to suggest i'm beat - i might fold to a raise - i might not

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

DrGutshot · #5 10-27-2004, 03:06 AM

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UTG is not a moron - he just likes to play

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words of wisdom...the "moron" was tilt-induced from him cracking overpair after overpair, then having my KK run into his AA only to be mocked by another player at the table. Of course I tried my best not to let this affect my play...

-DrG

TwoNiner · #6 10-27-2004, 04:25 AM

I'd check it down, but I'm not as aggressive as most of the winning players here (and probably not as winning either). With as passive as the 5-10 is I think your as likely to see a call from a Queen as a pocket pair but I dunno. The flush getting there and all the calling should factor towards a check. Close, the more I write the more I think I'm wrong and you should bet, lol.

joker122 · #7 10-27-2004, 04:51 AM

I don't understand how you could bet this. This is literally the worst river card possible. And low pairs? Unless it's 77-99 they aren't calling because the river just counterfitted them.

ShamaLamDingDong · #8 10-27-2004, 05:03 AM

HOW CAN YOU CHECK HERE? What do they have that beats you? Maybe a flush thats afraid of a boat but then you don't even get check raised. The moron calls with any A and probably any K He doesn't have a pair Q or J thats for sure. Maybe he has a 6 and checkriases? Maybe but I want him to call with Ax Kx. SB isn't calling with a worse hand often but could have 77-99 maybe Ax gets a call, but Id expect him to fold most often and call when hes got a flush or 77-99.

SHAMA LAMA...DING DONG!

stripsqueez · #9 10-27-2004, 07:01 AM

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I don't understand how you could bet this

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i can bet this because i can imagine several feasible hands that will call and lose - i get paid by A high on the river a lot in these schools - it seems unlikely that either of these guys have a Q, J or 6 - the flush hitting is a bit scary but i still think its ok to value bet here

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And low pairs? Unless it's 77-99 they aren't calling because the river just counterfitted them.

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forgot about that but still betting

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

ShamaLamDingDong · #10 10-27-2004, 07:47 AM

STOP WORRYING ABOUT HOW BAD/GOOD THE OTHER PLAYERS AND HOW SCARED YOU ARE OF THE RIVER AND START TRYING TO PUT THEM ON HANDS. And not just the ones that beat you, ALL of the possible ones and try to make a rough guess of their likelyhood. After performing this it should be pretty clear a bet is in order.

SHAMA LAMA...DING DONG!