Two 25/50 QQ hands - Page 2

Yeti · #11 08-04-2005, 09:13 PM

Heh, nar, honest guv. I really was paying no attention, and for some reason thought this guy had opened (er, to $650.), and then cr'ed allin on the flop.

Which looks a lot more like a draw than this hand, which smells like a set.

arod15 · #12 08-04-2005, 09:26 PM

It makes a huge difference if you know what he had. If he came over the top with a set thats reasonable, if he did so with a flush draw as i suspect on the first hand, id be real worried this second hand. He might use the first bluff to set you up here. Either way, i think i fold again here something about the min raise strikes me as genuine strength. he sounds like a tough opponent.

fsuplayer · #13 08-04-2005, 09:36 PM

i fold the first. slightly ahead, way behind most of the time I think. unless he would make this play with 1010/JJ, then its very close, but i vote call.

hand #2, I push, but yeah it matters somewhat about the first hand.

mgsimpleton · #14 08-04-2005, 09:39 PM

on a side note, i'm guessing you folded the first hand or else it's crazy aggro game... i mean if one of you won a 14k pot and are down to 5k 15 min later that would be ridiculous... right?

fsuplayer · #15 08-04-2005, 09:42 PM

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on a side note, i'm guessing you folded the first hand or else it's crazy aggro game... i mean if one of you won a 14k pot and are down to 5k 15 min later that would be ridiculous... right?

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it has to be different games. one or both of them would have a good stack. they both started the first hand with 7k, then started the second with 5k.

mikech · #16 08-04-2005, 09:43 PM

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on a side note, i'm guessing you folded the first hand or else it's crazy aggro game... i mean if one of you won a 14k pot and are down to 5k 15 min later that would be ridiculous... right?

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if he folded and re-upped, effective stacks for the 2nd hand are 5k; if he called and won and the other guy reloaded, effective stacks are 5k; if he called and lost and he reloaded, effective stacks still 5k.

mgsimpleton · #17 08-04-2005, 09:44 PM

sure, but he didn't say effective stacks is all.

mikech · #18 08-04-2005, 09:47 PM

that's the only relevant measure, no? 5k is the most he could win or lose that hand, so he said 5k stacks.

Yeti · #19 08-04-2005, 09:52 PM

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sure, but he didn't say effective stacks is all.

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Jeez, he is obviously just trying to keep the results from the first hand unknown.

creedofhubris · #20 08-04-2005, 10:08 PM

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Hand 1: 6-handed. 7k stacks. I have been playing pretty aggro. Tightish, somewhat aggressive but not overaggro player opens for 150 UTG. His opens range from 125-175 pretty randomly. Caller. I make it 650 in CO w/ black QQ. Opener calls, caller folds.

Flop 2s 8h 9h : Check, I bet 1300, he checkraises all-in for 6400.

Hand 2: About 15 minutes later. 5-handed. 5k stacks. Same guy opens for 125. I make it 425 in SB w/ QsQh. He calls.

Flop 3d 5h 7s : I bet 900, he minraises to 1800. What's your plan? If we know what he had last time (set, flush draw, or pair hand), does that make a difference in your plan?

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I would tend to put villain in hand #1 on AA, KK, or a big draw. So I would fold, because you're 50/50 or way behind and the raise is sizeable compared to the pot.

In hand #2, if you think you are ahead (and I would tend to think you are, if you folded hand #1; if you called and won #1, I'm not so sure), I think the play is to smooth call and push any turn; pushing the flop lets villain fold some hands which he might fire a second bullet with.