what is this possibility?

#1 10-31-2005, 12:13 AM

what is the possibility for KK to get beat by both 1010 and JsQs? because it just happened to me today; i got them both to push allin before the flop; 10 on the flop and running jacks assured i lost every penny to 2 completely dominated hands.

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EMcWilliams · #2 10-31-2005, 01:19 AM

Download a program called pokerstove, it will boggle your mind. That said...

you are %77 to win preflop

Komodo · #3 10-31-2005, 07:06 AM

Pokerstove wont answer his question. He asked how big the probability is that he will get beaten by both hands, not the probability of winning the pot.

#4 10-31-2005, 10:56 AM

yeah, im sure the possibility of losing to both was atlease 9 to 1. just another badbeat that secured a losing weekend for me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] i lost AA vs. QQ, another $50+down the drain. AA vs. AJ: wouldnt you know the flop is K Q 10. i had ducks on a 2AA flop; [censored] ends up hitting runner runner 10s to make a higher house. i won less races this weekend than a geo metro at a NHRA drag event lol.

#5 10-31-2005, 11:21 AM

Fascinating.

#6 10-31-2005, 11:56 AM

the actual way you lost is very unlikely. i.e. both of them getting 3 of a kind...

but you easily could have lost to a flush or a straight that included the 3rd 10 (so it might complete both draws).

i think what makes yours so unique is that they both beat you and they didn't share any cards (other than the 4th and 5th cards or kickers).

#7 10-31-2005, 11:58 AM

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the actual way you lost is very unlikely. i.e. both of them getting 3 of a kind...

but you easily could have lost to a flush or a straight that included the 3rd 10 (so it might complete both draws).

i think what makes yours so unique is that they both beat you and they didn't share any cards (other than the 4th and 5th cards or kickers).

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actually you had the pair of kings so that really, really cut down on the JQs (Doing this from memory) completing a straight. but basically the correct 10s hit and the one guy has you beat and the other is looking good for the flush.

you didn't mention if pertinent suited 10 was in the guy pocket cards or in the deck.

Komodo · #8 10-31-2005, 12:45 PM

A quick estimation gives 18,8% of being beaten by TT and a 17,7% chance of being beaten by QJs. So about 0,188x0,177=3,3%.
But one cant calculate like this of course, since its in the same hand.

Bye the way pokerstove gives 68% winning chance: So to lose a pot like this is not even unlikely.

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 68.2917 % [ 00.68 00.00 ] { KK }
Hand 2: 14.4995 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { QJs }
Hand 3: 17.2088 % [ 00.17 00.00 ] { TT }