Betting a strong draw (100NL 6max)

jhall23 · #1 06-10-2005, 10:51 AM

PFR is pretty lag and not very great from what I have seen in my 2-3 orbits at the table.

Villian in this hand seems pretty average. A little passive pre-flop so far, not too agressive or passive post flop. I have seen him take stabs at pots with nothing.

Was really hoping to be raised on the flop.

Do you like to give it one last go on the river after villian has been so passive with the draws on board?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($66.75)
CO ($97.5)
Button ($94.15)
SB ($51.5)
Hero ($99)
UTG ($77.48)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($6.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP folds, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7.

River: ($28.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15

fuzzbox · #2 06-10-2005, 11:01 AM

I think check-raise is better in this spot, as then you see what button does after MP2 bets the flop. You dont mind getting all in on the flop, and you dont mind betting up to full pot on the turn (if you hit or miss), because you probably have 15 outs so if he calls you get your odds, and if he folds, then you win.

If you check, MP2 bets 5, button calls, pot is 17 when it gets back to you. Make it 20/25 here and see if anybody really likes it.

jhall23 · #3 06-10-2005, 11:13 AM

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I think check-raise is better in this spot, as then you see what button does after MP2 bets the flop. You dont mind getting all in on the flop, and you dont mind betting up to full pot on the turn (if you hit or miss), because you probably have 15 outs so if he calls you get your odds, and if he folds, then you win.

If you check, MP2 bets 5, button calls, pot is 17 when it gets back to you. Make it 20/25 here and see if anybody really likes it.

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Check raising the flop is certainly a good move that I will make. This time I tried to lead out so that the pot would be bigger if I got raised, so that I could then push.

fuzzbox · #4 06-10-2005, 11:15 AM

I do this sometimes too .... cept I find that ppl dont raise flops as much as I would like. When they flat call with their AK, now Im screwed if I miss the turn !!

RiverFenix · #5 06-10-2005, 11:26 AM

MP does not have to bet this flop as all he did was minraise therefore hoping for a c/r probably wont happen. And if it is checked through you lose info about opponents holdings and they gain a good amount of yours if the flush comes through (though straight is still well disguised) -- point is you would like to c/r here, but odds are you wont be able to.

Villian called river, right?

jhall23 · #6 06-10-2005, 11:52 AM

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Villian called river, right?

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I'll post results later. So it seems you think villian called, what hand(s) do you put him on?

RedRum · #7 06-10-2005, 01:48 PM

Villian would probably only call the river here with a K, but I'd put him on any Kx where x > 8. In order to make that call he's gotta be sure you're bluffing, or have something.

Your bets were almost the same as AK would play this, leading into each street and assuming you're ahead. I don't like his cold call of $7, but you'll have stolen the pot on the river unless he holds AK or his kicker hit the board.

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montechristo · #8 06-10-2005, 03:13 PM

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PFR is pretty lag and not very great from what I have seen in my 2-3 orbits at the table.

Villian in this hand seems pretty average. A little passive pre-flop so far, not too agressive or passive post flop. I have seen him take stabs at pots with nothing.

Was really hoping to be raised on the flop.

Do you like to give it one last go on the river after villian has been so passive with the draws on board?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($66.75)
CO ($97.5)
Button ($94.15)
SB ($51.5)
Hero ($99)
UTG ($77.48)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($6.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP folds, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7.

River: ($28.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15

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Jhall - I would prefer to play this hand faster on the flop. Flush draw + open ender is a great hand, I might go for a biggish checkraise here or at least bet the pot. When you miss on the turn I would either check and see what the action is or make a bet of at least 2/3 of the pot. Being OOP sucks, you need to get more info in the hand somehow. When he calls your turn bet I am thinking maybe weak K or just club draws. I like that you fired again on the river, however if I am villain and I have a weak K I might call you.

jhall23 · #9 06-13-2005, 09:19 AM

Results,

Villian has KQ and called it. Not suprised at that call at all with the strong King, I wouldn't expect a fold there from most players. Overall though I think the bet on the river is worth a shot incase villian was also drawing to something. With how passive villian was I think I should win with this bet on the river a good amount of the time.

xorbie · #10 06-13-2005, 10:00 AM

Check raise the flop all in.