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Old 02-23-2005, 06:39 PM
DesertCat DesertCat is offline
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Default Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

Empire No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed)

We are down to 33 out of 190, money starts at 20. I'm in good shape, average stack is about 5500 and blinds are still real low (100/200). This is despite being card dead most of the tournament. I just moved to this table so my read on the raiser is just that he seems solid. The table has been very aggressive.


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MP2 (t9488)
CO (t7405)
Button (t8680)
SB (t3795)
Hero (t7069)
UTG (t10730)
MP1 (t2810)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, and hero???

I'm not anxious to put 25% of my stack in on a call out of position. But laying down my best hand in a long time is equally hard. Even though the blinds are low, they are coming around fast seven handed, and it's difficult to steal with the table so aggressive. What should I do?
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

i don't think so tim.

i'm all in here pretty fast.

his range of hands should be pretty broad, 88-jj are not out of the question

kk-aa i feel, are pretty much unlikely, he would not want to put on a simple blind steal with these monsters

aq- likely,

ak- most likely

i race here and look to get deep into the money
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

If raiser is solid, why did he make it 1800 to go? That's 9X the BB. Even if there was a limper, that's too big of a raise for a solid player.

I reraise all-in. He was just looking to steal IMO.
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

If the raiser is any sort of decent player, he's not making it 9x BB with AA or KK. Probably not AK either. 9x screams that he doesn't want to have to play postflop.

Push and pick up the 2300 that's out there.
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

beat me to it
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

There's 500 in the pot and the guy raises to 1800? I'd instantly put him in a low to mid pair, maybe complete cheese. I'd push here.
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Old 02-23-2005, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

Thanks for all of your comments. I did push, he instacalled with KK, and I was suddenly out in the cold when making the money seemed a foregone conclusion. I was pissed and thought maybe I was too aggressive, but your comments really help me feel better about my decision.
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Old 02-23-2005, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

This clearly suggests that he doesn't want a call.

However, a couple of additional points can be made -

- he could be a tricky player looking for people who'll readily assume he doesn't want to be called, and thus using reverse psychology.

- or he could be holding something like KK with a couple of recent bad beats in hindsight, not wanting to get burned at this stage (a form of tilt, perhaps)
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Old 02-23-2005, 07:08 PM
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Please see my other reply.
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Old 02-23-2005, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: Time for a Helmuthian Laydown?

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Please see my other reply.

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i think it'd be REALLY weak to fold qq here.....

in this instance he was gettin really tricky, but usually you have a button open raiser (to 9x) devastated.

or are on the good side of a race.

good move, good hand, cold deck.
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