VPIP/PFR/AF

[Drontier]

This is a question for stheif and some of the more respected members. What are your stats just out of curiousity? VPIP PFR AF blind defense, blind steal %. Thanks.

[yanicehand]

what limit?
3/6? 5/10? 10/20?

p.s. bump b/c im interested in seeing some of the responses.

[sthief09]

it's dangerous to look at someone else's stats for guidance shorthanded. there are a few factors. if you're new, your VPIP should be in the 21-24 range, and can creep up gradually as you start to feel more comfortable. preflop raising should be somewhat close to your VPIP. something like 21/15, 22/16, (23 or 24)/17. attempted to steal should be above 30. you may not be entirely comfortable here but lots of profit comes from these situations and it's the one spot where I'd say you should start pushing your growth. you have position and often a better hand so it's a good spot to be in. you can start adding hands to this too as you get more comfortable.

folded BB to steal, you should probably be in the 60-65 range for now, and you'll probably creep toward 50 as you get more comfortable (notice how many times I'm using this word). AF can vary. most players, when they first start out, are hyper aggressive, and I don't think that ends up hurting them. for the flop it shouldn't be too far above 3 (if you're really tight 3.5 is probably ok), on the turn it should drop off a bit, to around 2-2.3, and river probably around to or a bit lower. AF is hard to really give a guideline for though since different people have different styles. however, if yours are significantly different there's probably something wrong.

went to showdown is important too. if it's under 32 you're weak tight. depending on how tight you are and what game you play (I'm assuming 3/6 or 5/10) it should probably be in the 34-38 range (debateable).

for comparison I've kind of leveled off at ~28/21, 3/1.9/1.7 AF by street, 37 attempt to steal, 55 fold bb to steal, 35 went to showdown

[baronzeus]

Your Went to Showdown is way lower than mine (I'm around 38) but I suspect it's partially because I'm much tighter preflop.

[sthief09]

I would suspect 38 is a result of not reading hands well, which is largely a result of not having reads on people. maybe 32-34 is too low. actually I'm remembering now that at 5/10 I used to be over 40. let me edit that

[TheMetetron]

My went to showdown in 38 and W$SD is 52. I suspect I have a few turns I need to fold.

Edit: I no longer listen to sthief's advice [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] j/k

[baronzeus]

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I would suspect 38 is a result of not reading hands well, which is largely a result of not having reads on people. maybe 32-34 is too low. actually I'm remembering now that at 5/10 I used to be over 40. let me edit that

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This post is so confusing


To be exact I'm at 37.44

[sthief09]

stream of consciousness

38 probably isn't too high. I'm not really sure what I was thinking

[baronzeus]

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My went to showdown in 38 and W$SD is 52. I suspect I have a few turns I need to fold.

Edit: I no longer listen to sthief's advice [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] j/k

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I'm fascinated by the fact that you manage to play more hands, go to more showdowns, and win almost as many of them.

[yanicehand]

seems alot of stats are divided by the 32-35 WTSD and the 55-57 w$@sd, and the 37-39WTSD and 49-51 W$@SD