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Old 12-27-2005, 04:24 AM
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Default How to improve my post flop play?

hey, i have being playing NL10 on pokerstars, and after 8k hands i am beating it at 6.3BB/100

however, i am not being sucessful in my tries at NL25, even though people say the level is not much better.
I have decent hand selection, with a V$PIP of 20% and know about position.
I hardly slowplay, and my line is usually pot the flop, 1/2 or 2/3 the turn and then bet again on some rivers.
However, i find it really dificult to have a range of other ppl hands, since they play any 2 rags.
So, how can i improve my post flop play?

Right now, after 2,3k hands ( i know it is a small sample), i am down 3.6BB/100 at NL25.

Any help is really apreciated, and sorry for my poor english.

Thanks in advance

Edit: I play full ring
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:25 AM
Logik Logik is offline
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However, i find it really dificult to have a range of other ppl hands, since they play any 2 rags.


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How much are you raising to preflop? Try 4BB-5BB + 1BB/limper... more if the table is aggro. They'll stop calling with rags, and your situation will be much improved. And you'll be winning bigger pots.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: How to improve my post flop play?

Thx for the reply.
I raise 3BB + 1BB/limper
One of my concerns is that i limp too much, since i am not confortable to raise like KJ in MP knowing there is a great chance i will play a pot OOP against some donk that may have anything and i will have to fire a CB 66% of the time.
My PFR is at 7% now
Is that too much of a leak at this level?
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: How to improve my post flop play?

Just a couple of suggestions...

<ul type="square">[*]Lose AJo, KJo, KJs alltogether for awhile (just fold 'em man!).[*]Only play AQs, AQo, and AJs from late position (button and CO) until you can put other players on hands more easily.[*]Try to only play AQ/AJ for small pots (unless of course you have the nuts).[*]Stay away from NL25 for at least another 10k hands (consider 20k - what's your hurry?).[*]Search for and review topics like "stop and go", "blocking bets" and "continuation bets".[*]Increase/decrease the number of tables you are playing accordingly (i.e. if you already play 3-4 tables play 1-2 for a while so you can spend more time practicing reading hands).[*]Post more hands here for post-flop analysis (will likely help you the most).[/list]
Good luck.

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Old 12-27-2005, 06:34 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: How to improve my post flop play?

One night I started replying to every hand I saw on the board. This led to me seeing many interesting hands where other players where having trouble... bottom line I got to see many unique sitautions and have many more unique responses.


Post &amp; respond to 293048029384 hands a day instead of playing 290384902384 hours a day ... if that's what you do.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:36 PM
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play short handed...
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:38 PM
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play short handed...

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very good advice
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:04 PM
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Just a couple of suggestions...

<ul type="square">[*]Lose AJo, KJo, KJs alltogether for awhile (just fold 'em man!).[*]Only play AQs, AQo, and AJs from late position (button and CO) until you can put other players on hands more easily.[*]Try to only play AQ/AJ for small pots (unless of course you have the nuts).[*]Stay away from NL25 for at least another 10k hands (consider 20k - what's your hurry?).[*]Search for and review topics like "stop and go", "blocking bets" and "continuation bets".[*]Increase/decrease the number of tables you are playing accordingly (i.e. if you already play 3-4 tables play 1-2 for a while so you can spend more time practicing reading hands).[*]Post more hands here for post-flop analysis (will likely help you the most).[/list]
Good luck.

--M

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I'd say, an easy way to improve your postflop play (and your game as a whole) is to avoid playing hands that lead to difficult decisions postflop.

Easy hands to play postflop include:
- all pocket pairs
* 22-TT: limp or call and look for sets, position doesnt really matter that much with these hands, so I'll play them from any position
* JJ-AA: raise and look to have an overpair (be wary of overcards, especially aces. a Kxx board is much better for JJ than Axx, if you raised preflop.)
- AK, AQ suited or not. Raising these from any position is profitable. They are a little harder to play postflop if you miss the flop, but you will still likely have the best hand on most flops. Learn as much as you can about continuation bets by searching and reading the forums.
- middle suited connectors (T9s-54s) in late position. These are almost as easy to play as pocket pairs, because you'll either hit the flop well or be able to fold easily.
* Higher SC's (QJs, JTs) are a little trickier postflop, because they'll often lead to a top pair bad kicker situation, which can be costly and hard to play. KQs is usually strong enough to play from most positions, but only raise from later position.
* Lower SC's are not very hard to play, but don't hit the flop as often as middle ones, because they can't make as many straights, and flushes are more vulnerable.

Hands to avoid:
- Weak aces (AJ-A2). Unless you're in late position (when raising with AJ or AT is ok) You should avoid these.
- Weak paint (KJ, KT, QJ, etc.) These often lead to weak and vulnerable top pairs, and are better off folded preflop.
- Other trash (with a 20% VPIP, I assume you're already avoiding these)

Your 20/7 numbers are similar to mine, and I'm very pleased with how they've worked for me, so I think you're on the right track.

Try keeping a little notebook by your computer (or a text document on your computer), and whenever you encounter a tricky or uncomfortable postflop situation, write it down briefly. Later, you can take a look and see if there are any trends, and you can work on these individual aspects of your game that need it.

Lastly, don't worry about "stop and go's". They are predominantly used in shortstacked tournament play, and rarely will be applicable to ring games.

Hopefully this'll help, holler at me (or everyone else) with any questions or ideas you have.
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Old 12-27-2005, 07:10 PM
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I'd say, an easy way to improve your postflop play (and your game as a whole) is to avoid playing hands that lead to difficult decisions postflop.


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That's completly wrong.
It's probably the best way to make money while learning wich is not really what the op is asking for.
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