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Old 12-19-2005, 07:40 PM
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Default Is this an easy fold?

Villian has raised to $2 preflop about twice an orbit
and he way overbets the flop every time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter

Button ($7.20)
SB ($9.20)
BB ($30.70)
UTG ($5.45)
Hero ($30.50)
MP1 ($10.35)
MP2 ($34.50)
MP3 ($34.70)
CO ($52.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.75.

Flop: ($6.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $11</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $17.35
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Is this an easy fold?

Id be amazed if MP3 didnt have AA or KK. Amazed. Set it here, or you gotta drop it.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:56 PM
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Yup, easy fold. This is a great villain to play against, wait for a set or something else good and stack him. If you test his aggression on a hand like this one, you're just playing into his game.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:03 PM
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Odds are you've the best hand. Most likely villain is very aggressive on the flop but shuts down on turn and river. And so

1. you can call flop and see what he does on turn
2. you can raise flop
3. you can call flop and play the board

Most of the time you will be ahead here. Calling preflop and folding on flop is playing into his game.

I'd reraise him preflop with ak, ak, aa-99. He is raising with an assortment of hands. Sometimes you'll catch him with a good one; much of the time he'll be on air.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:04 PM
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Odds are you've the best hand. Most likely villain is very aggressive on the flop but shuts down on turn and river. And so

1. you can call flop and see what he does on turn
2. you can raise flop
3. you can call flop and play the board

Most of the time you will be ahead here. Calling preflop and folding on flop is playing into his game.

I'd reraise him preflop with ak, ak, aa-99. He is raising with an assortment of hands. Sometimes you'll catch him with a good one; much of the time he'll be on air.

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This is very questionable advice at this buy-in. At higher buy-ins, I begin to agree with you when you have a specific read.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Is this an easy fold?

Villain is raising twice an orbit and regularly overbetting flop. Advice here is player dependent not level dependent.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: Is this an easy fold?

No set, no bet. You played for set value, an over flopped, and the PFR bet--so it's c/f for you. Don't speculate against guys like this OOP. Just wait for it and he will give you his stack.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:43 PM
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Villain is raising twice an orbit and regularly overbetting flop. Advice here is player dependent not level dependent.

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position dependent too?
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Is this an easy fold?

I can't believe all the weak-tight advice being given. Villian is raising twice an orbit and overbetting pot every flop. This means he's raising any ace,face,pair, and probably some junk too. If you're plan is no set/no bet then you should find another table with other TP players.

Put him all-in, the only way to combat a bully is to bully him right back. More often then not he'll be holding 2 overs or a small pair. Some times he'll actually have the goods, but not nearly often enough to even consider folding. JMO
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:38 PM
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I can't believe all the weak-tight advice being given. Villian is raising twice an orbit and overbetting pot every flop. This means he's raising any ace,face,pair, and probably some junk too. If you're plan is no set/no bet then you should find another table with other TP players.

Put him all-in, the only way to combat a bully is to bully him right back. More often then not he'll be holding 2 overs or a small pair. Some times he'll actually have the goods, but not nearly often enough to even consider folding. JMO

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Against a player like this, why not wait till you actually hit something to get paid off. Risk/reward isn't as good now as it will be when Hero hits TP or better if Hero's read is correct.
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