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Old 12-19-2005, 06:11 AM
soah soah is offline
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Default Re: Losing value or prudence??

And why do you want to slow down a maniac when you have three aces?
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:32 AM
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You're way ahead IMO, if he even has an ace (unlikely) it's very weak. Being 75/25 I think he'll call a small-ish value bet though with whatever he has (a J? pockets? weak A?). If he c/r you then it's possible you are beat, very read dependent on what to do if this happens.

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I agree - I don't think he is likely to have an ace. Bear in mind his flop bet may well have been a c-bet, especially if he identified the ace on the flop as a bluffing opportunity. The ace hitting the turn probably made him think you don't have one (only 2 left in the deck etc.) Of course he could have the boat but given his stats I think you're ahead a substantial amount of the time.
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Old 12-19-2005, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: Losing value or prudence??

I agree with the others and think you're way ahead, but..

..only one poster addressed the real problem with this hand. You know he plays a lot of hands and you know he raises a lot of hands. You get a good PF hand in position, he auto-raises and you just call? The reason you're having a hard time putting him on a hand is because you didn't reraise here. He could be playing a big ace, small ace, middle pair, big pair....basically you have no idea because he pf raises a good deal of the time.

I would have reraised PF to something around $9, depending on what kind of bets he's been calling. Given your line though, I think I would have checked behind as well...but I certainly have leaks in my game.
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:46 PM
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He still could have a hand that beats me like AK, A8, 88 or JJ....Don't think this is an autobet, and that's why I posted. (plus I have no doubt he's calling me with whatever he has...

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This quote makes me think you want to bet like $30 or so on the end. You don't want to get c/r'd, but it's awfully odd that he gave up on the end.

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...he was pretty passive after one barrel if he didn't have much...I think he's got something good here, just a matter of if it's better than me)

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These two parts seem to conflict each other. He got passive - why would he have something good?
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:06 PM
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He got passive - why would he have something good?

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Well...I guess I didn't put it in the OP as part of the read, which is dumb on my part, because I didn't give you guys all the info I had, and it's a pet peeve of many posters here who make a post, give a read, and then give a better or more complete read later in the thread....But--

He's a preflop maniac, but he wasn't an idiot. If he faced resistance, he would shut down smartly. He didn't really overplay anything that I saw.

To answer a couple comments here: I don't like raising guys like this preflop. When you let them keep the betting impetus, they will think you are weak and fire one and two barrels at you. Also, guy overbet the flop...no sense in raising him there, IMO. Once he bet the turn, even though he slowed down, I am still WA/WB...There a raise might have been in order.

The river I need to bet like most of you said, even though IMO it's just a notch above thin. Just got to take things at face value until shown differently. He probably would have bet any full house, and so I'm probably good...So thanks all for the comments.

He held A7o and MHIG.
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:11 PM
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Why no turn raise?!

As played, 1/2 pot on river... whether or not you call a hefty CR is read dependent
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