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Old 12-16-2005, 07:05 PM
tagtastic tagtastic is offline
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Default Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

All these hands occurred in the last few days, and I wasn't happy with the result (and possibly my play) in any of them. More results to come.



Hand #1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($49.30)
Hero ($483.84)
MP ($150.89)
Button ($145.15)
SB ($151.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, SB (poster) calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $15</font>, Hero...?



Hand #2:

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Button ($97.70)
SB ($107)
BB ($98.50)
UTG ($154.10)
Hero ($94.50)
CO ($113.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($17) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero...?



Hand #3:

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MP ($92.50)
CO ($88.40)
Button ($122.45)
SB ($167.28)
Hero ($104.30)
UTG ($185.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($28.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero...?
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:14 PM
Hoopster81 Hoopster81 is offline
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

Hand #1 - Only hand where a read is not necessary. Fold the flop.

Hand #2 - This really depends on so many things. If CO is a constant late position raiser, I like to lead into him here. If he is a rock, I check and see what develops.

Hand #3 - Again, a read on UTG is mandatory. This was a 7xBB raise to open from UTG? I probably check.
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

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All these hands occurred in the last few days, and I wasn't happy with the result (and possibly my play) in any of them. More results to come.



Hand #1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($49.30)
Hero ($483.84)
MP ($150.89)
Button ($145.15)
SB ($151.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, SB (poster) calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $15</font>, Hero...?



Hand #2:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($97.70)
SB ($107)
BB ($98.50)
UTG ($154.10)
Hero ($94.50)
CO ($113.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($17) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero...?



Hand #3:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($92.50)
CO ($88.40)
Button ($122.45)
SB ($167.28)
Hero ($104.30)
UTG ($185.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($28.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero...?

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I need reads in every single one of these hands in order to form a decent opinion.
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

1) Call
2) Pot it
3) Pot it
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

sometimes you don't have reads in a hand, but you still have to play it.

1 - i raise to maybe $45. My goal here is to fold the button and see a free river against the SB. SB leading into two opponents when he wasn't the aggressor pre flop means he has something, so i don't think you have a lot of fold equity, but you may be able to buy relatively cheap turn and river cards against him and this is the way to do it.

2 - If the pot was smaller i might check behind, but it's large enough that you're happy with taking it down right now. $14 (or whatever your normal bet size is) here.

3 - This is an opportunity to get yourself in a coin flip situation with a lot of dead money. Check, watch UTG bet and MP or button call/raise, then shove all your chips in. I don't mind not being ahead here because of all the dead money.


edit - i'm not in love with you even seeing a flop with #1 and #3, #2 isn't bad
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Old 12-16-2005, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

Hand 3 is the only strong draw.

hand 1 is bottom pair and 9 high flush draw... any 2 pair you hit 1 and 2... you have weak flush draws and gutshot draws... possible straight, any 2 pair you hit might be counterfeited. FOLD

hand 2- you have a weak flush draw and a draw to a non-nut gut-shot straight. If you feel you have any chance of taking down the flop now, bet. Otherwise, take your hopefully free card.

hand 3... I like. top pair, mediocre kicker and decent flush draw. Either checkraise or leadout.
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

Hand 1: SB is pretty donktastic (results show this too), I have no idea what he has, but I'm really not that concerned with him. Button is a good player.

I called SB's bet, and Button raised to $55, SB calls, action on me again.

Hand 2: UTG I thought highly of before this hand, afterwards my opinion of him dropped significantly, but either way he's fairly tight/aggressive. SB is good and CO is terrible (preflop raiser in this hand), he'll raise like this way too often with crap. This hand created alot of controversy at this table afterwards.

Hand 3: UTG is retarded, raising large preflop very often, no one has respect for his preflop raises (that's why I'm in this hand w/ a 7xBB raise). Button is solid. I bet 2/3 of the pot ($19 into $29), UTG folds, Button pushes for $115 now what?
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Old 12-16-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

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Hand 3 is the only strong draw.

hand 1 is bottom pair and 9 high flush draw... any 2 pair you hit 1 and 2... you have weak flush draws and gutshot draws... possible straight, any 2 pair you hit might be counterfeited. FOLD

hand 2- you have a weak flush draw and a draw to a non-nut gut-shot straight. If you feel you have any chance of taking down the flop now, bet. Otherwise, take your hopefully free card.

hand 3... I like. top pair, mediocre kicker and decent flush draw. Either checkraise or leadout.

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Good post. I like these options. The problem here is I didn't have big enough draws IMO, if they were all big I'd have no problem playing this as I did (simply getting all the money in asap on the flop is my strategy w/ a checkraise or even an open-push in some situations). Hand 3 where I'm on the most solid ground, I get raised to $115 after my 2/3 pot bet, I imagine I have no choice but to call here.
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Old 12-16-2005, 09:15 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

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Hand 1: SB is pretty donktastic (results show this too), I have no idea what he has, but I'm really not that concerned with him. Button is a good player.


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Just out of curiousity, what does "pretty donktastic" mean exactly? Does it mean that he'll only show aggression when he hits a flop hard while playing passively and calling down with non-nut draws and weak made hands? If this is the case then you should probably be folding here as you are sandwiched between somebody who is "pretty donktastic" but just got really aggressive (which seems to be out of character unless by "pretty donktastic" you mean LAG) and a button whose play you respect.
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: Big Multi-way Pots w/ Big Draws for me: What\'s your line? 3 Hands

I would fold the 89[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or at best call and see what happens. Raise is pretty piss poor IMO. I would lead for pot on the other two, unless you think CO will definitely bet.
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