I folded TPTK for more one bet in a big pot on the river

scotty34 · #1 12-19-2005, 04:42 AM

CO is 55/16 after about 200 hands, and is moderately aggressive postflop.
Button 50/7 over 200 and is passive and bad - note said 'overcalled bottom pair 3-ways'

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (8.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Button calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.20 BB

wheelz · #2 12-19-2005, 05:04 AM

looks good

thesharpie · #3 12-19-2005, 05:11 AM

Where the 34 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

StellarWind · #4 12-19-2005, 06:14 AM

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looks good

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beachbum · #5 12-19-2005, 06:23 AM

There's a good chance you're ahead of button here, but probably not both. That being said, the c/c line on the river might be best. How aggro is the CO in these spots? If you check to him, what hands will he bet or raise with? Pairs, straights, or bluff representing the draw?

A standard line here would be check and call against one opponent but not overcall. However if the river went "check, bet, call,...", the button's call won't really mean much since he'll call with lots of hands you're ahead of. I think c/c one bet back to me works here against an aggro opponent and loose river caller.

kyleb · #6 12-19-2005, 06:49 AM

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A standard line here would be check and call against one opponent but not overcall.

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wheelz · #7 12-19-2005, 07:19 AM

you have a player on the button who overcalled with bottom pair on the river 3-ways, and a 55/16 in the CO who's done nothing but call every street. you're missing value by checking. if you check/call you'll usually only be putting in a bet when you're beaten, but if you bet you'll get called by worse hands. you can safely fold to a raise on this board, so by bet/folding you gain 1-2 bets when ahead and lose 1 when behind. if you check/call you might not get any bets when you have the best hand, and still lose the same one bet when you're beaten. gotta bet/fold this.

kidcolin · #8 12-19-2005, 07:27 AM

Good post man.

scotty34 · #9 12-19-2005, 12:33 PM

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Where the 34 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Haha, I got rid of it because it didn't mean anything. Two random numbers put on the end cuz Scotty was taken. I didn't want people thinking I was 34 years old or born in 1934 or something like that. Just like there is no MrWookie47 anymore.

beachbum · #10 12-19-2005, 04:06 PM

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if you check/call you'll usually only be putting in a bet when you're beaten

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I'm not so sure about that. Since villain is only "moderately" aggro rather than very aggro, this is probably true. It's also very likely if the river goes "check, bet, call, call", hero will be inducing a bluff from CO and having the button call along with a worse hand.

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but if you bet you'll get called by worse hands

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I guess the real question to ask is how likely is CO to bluffraise this scare river? Given this situation, is he likely to be doing it more often than 1 in 14 times? I guess button could have me beaten too, since he most likely won't 3-bet 2 pair or even the idiot end of the straight. I don't know, now you're getting tremendous odds in a pot where I honestly think hero might be good more often than this. Some LAG's tend to get tricky in spots like this, especially when the pot gets big.

Unless I have a perfect read on the CO, I like c/c'ing. Against someone a bit more passive postflop, b/f is fine. Just MHO.