Bottom set facing HUGE overbet NL200 6max

mikeyworm · #1 11-09-2005, 03:58 PM

Don't have the HH so I will post from memory. Villain is relativley LAGish with around 42/12/1.8 stats. He had been opening lots of pots but had never done anything so weird that I had taken a note on his postflop actions.

Effective stacks are around $240.

UTG limps, Villain (in MP1) raises to 7. Hero calls on button with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB folds, BB calls and both limpers call.

Flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Everyone checks to villain who pushes for about $230 into a $28 dollar pot and action is on Hero.

I really don't know if this is a call or fold. I think it is a call since he could easily have AK or air here. But his stats aren't that LAGish and I haven't seen him do anything really weird postflop until now.

Thanks for your help.

Jason

Edited for Preflop action, only 4 players in not 5.

the machine · #2 11-09-2005, 04:02 PM

this is a WA/WB situation. he either has a big set or kq and making it look like its nothing or he has something like aa and doesnt want anyone to draw on him but hopes ak calls which id even fold ak to this bet so most likely unless hes a real donkey it may be wise to fold

beavens · #3 11-09-2005, 04:03 PM

i would instacall here. i'm thinking that we're up against TPTK, not an overset.

.edit maybe even AA or lesser PP

4_2_it · #4 11-09-2005, 04:07 PM

Isn't this what you wanted? Call. Strange way for him to get value out of top set, so I think he has something less threatening.

rikz · #5 11-09-2005, 04:15 PM

I call. KQ, JT (OESD), AK, AQ, AA, or even K6s/Q6s!? seem more likely as a class of hands than JUST KK or QQ given your read.

You always have 2 outs if you're up against a higher set...

Although, to be completely honest, I would be extraordinarily unhappy as I typed "nh" into the chat box if he really did have the higher set.

mikeyworm · #6 11-09-2005, 04:20 PM

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Isn't this what you wanted? Call. Strange way for him to get value out of top set, so I think he has something less threatening.

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Of course this is what I wanted. I am just incredibly confused by his huge overbet. it is so hard to put people on a hand when they make a standard 3.5 BB raise preflop and then push in 115 BB on the flop.

#7 11-09-2005, 04:22 PM

InstaCall - it is very unlikely that the villian even saw the 6 on the board. No way he thinks he's up against a set. I put him on 2 pr at best.

kyleb · #8 11-09-2005, 04:23 PM

Call. I've never once seen someone at NL100-400 overbet huge into a a pot with something as premium as top set / middle set, especially on an uncoordinated board.

#9 11-09-2005, 04:30 PM

My vote goes with call.

Has anyone here honestly laid down a set on a flop with no possible st8 or flush? Not me. This decision will not cost you money over time. Gaurenteed.

jedi · #10 11-09-2005, 04:36 PM

Call. He has KQ. Too bad he hit a K on the river to beat you.

Seriously, this would really be a strange play with KK or QQ. A closer to normal sized bet (or a check) would make more sense in this spot if he had those hands. AA is possible, but that's a huge overbet as well. Really, I have no idea what he has.