KQ, bluff turned value bet

newhizzle · #1 12-08-2005, 06:02 AM

villain is TAGish, 23/11/1.2 after 5 thousand hands or so, i think its mostly from mining, because as far as i can remember i dont really have any history with him or at least hes never done anything that stands out in my mind

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 1 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets...

daryn · #2 12-08-2005, 06:06 AM

it doesn't look to me like you're getting called by worse here. think about it, what could he put you on where he would call with worse? i think he folds a jack to your river bet.

sucks to be out of position

newhizzle · #3 12-08-2005, 06:18 AM

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it doesn't look to me like you're getting called by worse here. think about it, what could he put you on where he would call with worse? i think he folds a jack to your river bet.

sucks to be out of position

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so you think check/call when the queen hits and bet when it dosent?

should the spades be a consideration?

you dont think if he calls the turn with a jack hes calling the river too?

or should i just be check/folding the turn?

DeezNutz3 · #4 12-08-2005, 06:30 AM

from my experience i think u get a call from a J...tough river tho...looks like a bet/fold or C/C if u don't like folding.

Jeff W · #5 12-08-2005, 06:32 AM

what is villain's screen name?

newhizzle · #6 12-08-2005, 06:33 AM

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from my experience i think u get a call from a J...tough river tho...looks like a bet/fold or C/C if u don't like folding.

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yeah, i was planning to fold to a raise, i think a jack usually calls here too

newhizzle · #7 12-08-2005, 06:34 AM

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what is villain's screen name?

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pd171164

daryn · #8 12-08-2005, 06:41 AM

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it doesn't look to me like you're getting called by worse here. think about it, what could he put you on where he would call with worse? i think he folds a jack to your river bet.

sucks to be out of position

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so you think check/call when the queen hits and bet when it dosent?

should the spades be a consideration?

you dont think if he calls the turn with a jack hes calling the river too?

or should i just be check/folding the turn?

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yeah spades should def be a consideration, and they hit. put yourself in that guy's position, what can he put you on? if he has a J what hand can he really beat when you bet river? why would you donk the turn when the ace hit?

i guess i just don't see how you're missing any value here by checking

shmahappens · #9 12-08-2005, 03:41 PM

You're trying to say you have AK/AQ/AJ here, maybe QQ or KK - why not CR the turn? Knowing this game he'll call trying to hit twopair/etc, then fold if he misses, so you'll make him pay more.