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Old 11-29-2005, 02:06 AM
shmahappens shmahappens is offline
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Default Re: 40-80 Red Queens

I can't imagine he means call the flop, and call down...
Though it has been done before...Will someday be done again - but that's the only thing I can see as 'under representing' a hand on this board.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:05 AM
KeithF40 KeithF40 is offline
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Default Re: 40-80 Red Queens

Calling on the turn appears to be a rather borderline decision which can ultimately be solved by putting your opponent on a hand which seems to be the toughest problem in this hand. You are getting around 9 to 1 and you can give yourself all of the tens as outs for the win. AQ is a very unlikely holding for villian. The only way you are not going to take the entire pot if a ten falls is if villian is also holding a queen which seems extremely unlikely giving him raise on the turn. The only hand that he could have that contains a queen based on his play is QJ, KQ, or QQ. KQ would be a very odd raise on the flop, QQ would be odd raise on turn and also mathematically doesnt seem to probable as does any hand that contains a queen, and QJ seems improbable with the raise on the turn. The odds against you completing your straight are about 11 to 1. With the pot so big on the river I think you would probably get called which would result in implied pot odds of 10 to 1. If you give yourself one queen as an out you are 9 to 1 to make the hand which would make a call even without the extra gained bet on the end correct. Giving yourself both queens make you a 7.5 to 1 dog which makes a call the clear decision. Ultimately your call comes down to whether or not a queen will give you the best hand. I dont think you have much fold equity at this point plus I dont see a scary card that can come on the turn that wouldnt help your hand and that would scare him off his hand enough to make him fold.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:04 AM
Bargon Bargon is offline
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Default Re: 40-80 Red Queens

Thanks for the great responses.

Keith- really appreciate all the time you put into this hand for me.

As for what I put him on...

Pre flop- I put him on a A probably a suited A or a pocket pair. I didn't put him on AK because I thought he would cap it pre-flop.

The flop was not a great one for me, but not horrible either. If it was 4 or 5 handed, I'd hate my hand. When he popped me on the turn, I put him on a set. Therefore, I thought I had about 6 outs (2 Qs and 4 10s).

When I whiffed the river I was caught in one of those situations where the odds seemed right to call.
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