Looking for an appropriate challenge to those who say poker's all luck

[stripsqueez]

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GIVEN: Winning one hand of poker is luck.
GIVEN: Winning over the course of an infinite amount of poker hands is skill.

MY POSITION: Somewhere between those two extremes, skill overtakes luck as the determining factor for profitability

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yuk

one hand of poker is not luck or chance - its all skill because poker is a game of skill not a game of chance

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[yvesaint]

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GIVEN: Winning one hand of poker is luck.
GIVEN: Winning over the course of an infinite amount of poker hands is skill.

MY POSITION: Somewhere between those two extremes, skill overtakes luck as the determining factor for profitability

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yuk

one hand of poker is not luck or chance - its all skill because poker is a game of skill not a game of chance

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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deal out one hand to Doyle Brunson, and one hand to another to a donk. 50% of the time, the donk's hand will be the winner, 50% of the time, Doyle Brunson's hand will be the winner. the part that IS skill is that the pro will bet his money when he's the winner, and not bet his money when he's the loser.

[JonPKibble]

Poker will not be legalized, neither will marijuana. At least in the USA. People who enjoy either of these things will just have to stay in the basement. That's life.

[Nalapoint1]

just finished sixth in local B&M MTT $35 buy in.I only played about 15 hands TAG.I thank you all for the advice given.

At first table one guy built massive chip lead and blew it all in 15 minutes.He would call any raise with any paint or ace with any kicker and suck out.

At second table we were near bubble and one lady had one chip left in BB. Blinds were T4k/8k.She just started going all in pre flop with every hand until she had t85k. There were 228 players that started with t2200.There were two other people at this table that were calling every bet with any paint or ace and had big stacks.I am BB with 99. 2 callers to SB who pushes all in for t12k.I call and other 2 call.SB has JAo, the other 2 A4s. A7o and they both laugh at me for calling with "just a small pair". Pair wins 2 players gone and one cant make the next blind.

We get to the final table of 8 and 3 of the other 7 were from the last table. They were calling stations that got there on 100% pure luck.Blinds were t10k/20k and I only had t80k. I was card dead. I am BB with 34s and saw free flop with button. Flop 456. I had flush draw, open ended str8 draw and bottom pair. Button goes all in for t15k I call and miss and she has K5o.

I didnt realize how much luck was involved in making final table. Me, for dodging bad beats and at least 3 others for playing any 2 cards and wishing.

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[erby]

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You are asked, "which table would you like to sit down at," and your reply will naturally be "pick the table randomly from a hat because I stand an equal chance to win at either table."

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...did the article you referenced claim that poker is a game of "equal" chance, or just chance?

"Dumb and Dumber"

"what are the chances of a girl like me and a guy like you ending up together? Like, One in a thousand?"

"more like one in a million."

"SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE!!!!!"

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[Alex/Mugaaz]

No, unless you show them your PT database of 30k + hands.

[oneeye13]

challenge them to a hockey game. that'll confuse them and buy you time.

[XlgJoe]

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You can win money in the long term playing slot machines with a sound mathematical strategy.

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I assume he is talking about video poker. In Vegas there are machines with over 100% payout if correct stategy is used. Again that is long term, short term you will be a loser.

[SycoFrogg]

Stu Ungar said something like "You think poker is a game of luck? Heh, I'll prove you wrong."

Proof enough for me.

[mudbuddha]

hockey is all luck.. so is golf