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Old 08-07-2003, 09:49 PM
JTG51 JTG51 is offline
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Default This can\'t be well played...

Typical online low limmit table, maybe a little tighter than average.

Unknown player open raises from MP. I 3-bet with TcTs. Everyone else folds, he calls.

Flop: Ad Jd 8d

He check calls.

Turn: [Ad Jd 8d] Td

He bets, I raise, he calls.

River: [Ad Jd 8d Td] Ac

He bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I just call.

I'm not happy with my play, I'll save my thoughts till I get flamed a bit though.
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Old 08-07-2003, 09:54 PM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

I would have called the turn and 4-bet the river.
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Old 08-07-2003, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

I agree that I should have called the turn.

Given that I did raise and he just called, making it far less likely he has the nut flush, doesn't capping the river become much less attractive?
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Old 08-07-2003, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

hi jtg
don't raise the turn.
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:25 AM
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Hi ely,

I agree about the turn. How would you play the river?
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

Get to the river cheap after the turn, cap the River.
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

JTG51:
It's really tempting to analyze the betting to conclude that he couldn't have anything that beats you.

AA -- might re-raise preflop; would be afraid to check-call the flop for fear you have a singleton diamond and will catch a cheap diamond in the next 2-cards.

JJ -- ditto AA

AJ -- has to re-raise you on the flop to see if you really have the flush; would he lead-bet the turn with two-pair most of the time?

AT -- Just plain unlikely

A8 -- would have to be suited to be even arguably pre-flop open-raise material

KQd, Q9d, 97d -- monsters under the bed; the lower two hands are not open-raise material preflop.

(There are other inferential reasons for many of these conclusions than I have listed.)

But the truth is at this limit your opponent may not be thinking too much about what you are holding. He won't imagine that you might have a full house (you've mostly been representing a flush). He does have a flush, maybe King high (the nuts) with something like KK or AK.

I think you could re-raise him on the river. But I sure understand why you'd just call here.

Gino
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

It's not unusual for opponents at these limits to get "tricky" by not re-raising the turn. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has the nut flush. I'd be more worried about KdQd than a bigger full house.

In a situation like this at a low-limit game w/ a four-flush on the board (especially when I don't have any of that suit - making it more likely that he has a big one), I'm going to go ahead and push my full house on the river. If he has a bigger full house, so be it. Most times he'll just have a big flush.
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Old 08-08-2003, 08:08 AM
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Default Re: This can\'t be well played...

I'd call the turn and cap the river.
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Old 08-08-2003, 12:25 PM
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Interestingly, no one mentioned his actual hand in their analysis, and for good reason. It would have taken me a lot of guesses to figure it out.

He had 88 for a flopped set. I guess his turn bet was a panic move when he realized he couldn't slowplay anymore.

So, everyone was right. I should have capped the river.

Thanks for the comments.
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