How's this flop play?

#1 09-27-2005, 10:26 AM

I've got no reads other than what you see.

What do you think of how the flop was played by hero?
Should I have capped when it came back around?

Anyone think I should drop the turn when facing 2 cold and not ending the action?

Is my preflop play bad? Don't fixate too much on this issue please. (Edit: I know it was bad, don't know what came into me.)

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls, CO raises, 1 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.00 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero calls, CO calls, SB folds.

River: (17.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, CO raises, BB 3-bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 23.00 BB.

jrz1972 · #2 09-27-2005, 10:31 AM

I know you said not to fixate on preflop, but open-limping in MP3 is really bad. It's especially bad with a trash hand. This is an easy fold preflop.

Cap the flop for value.

Call the turn. You still have 7 outs to the nuts and one more to the near-nuts.

StevieG · #3 09-27-2005, 10:33 AM

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Anyone think I should drop the turn when facing 2 cold and not ending the action?

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It's marginal. You're getting 6.5 to 1, but CO has shown willingness to 3-bet. Plus, you may not have all clean outs anymore.

Redd · #4 09-27-2005, 10:34 AM

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I know you said not to fixate on preflop, but open-limping in MP3 is really bad. It's especially bad with a trash hand. This is an easy fold preflop.

Cap the flop for value.

Call the turn. You still have 7 outs to the nuts and one more to the near-nuts.

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Completely agree with the whole post.

Rev. Good Will · #5 09-27-2005, 10:35 AM

PF is pretty bad...open limping in MP3 with a mid-suited connector?

and cap that flop mofo

you play the rest of the hand g00t

pete shaw · #6 09-27-2005, 10:44 AM

Flop raise- OK. If he reraises behind, you have to get both callers in between to still have equity.

If Im reading it right, your getting 6.5-1 on the turn so you have to continue.

#7 09-27-2005, 11:03 AM

Thanks for the input. I like those suited connectors(and most are profitable), but I need to be much more selective in playing them.

If there was no SB at the flop(ie. 3 total players in pot), but otherwise the same intial action, is this still a raise for value situation)? Seems much more marginal in that case.

#8 09-27-2005, 11:10 AM

I like suited connectors too, but not to open-limp with in MP3. I'd need at least two limpers before I'm comfortable calling this, though it's table dependent, of course.

Given your follow-up question, going from 3-1 to 2-1 odds on each bet definitely makes the raise a more marginal play. Hitting an OESD from the flop, by the river is about 2.2-1, but then you would need to be confident that you could keep BB in for the whole hand. There's no free card play here, so since the situation is more marginal, I favour just calling the flop against two.

jrz1972 · #9 09-27-2005, 11:27 AM

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Thanks for the input. I like those suited connectors(and most are profitable), but I need to be much more selective in playing them.

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When it's folded to you in MP, middle-suited connectors are trash. You can raise with them to try to steal the blinds, but more often you'll just be mucking them.

FWIW, this is the reason why everybody advocates playing some 6-max even if you don't plan on leaving full ring forever. You get a much better sense of how these sorts of hands play in various situations. I could go back into my PT database and show you hands were I limped in MP with hands like this, but a few thousand hands of SH will show that it's definitely a leak.