I guess this was right :)

[Nightwish]

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Yeah, by the turn I don't see what reasonable hand you could be ahead of. Good fold.

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A better fold would have been preflop out of position vs a tight passive opponent's raise with only one other player in there.

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Folding preflop is very bad IMO.


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Do you really think it's "very bad"? Remember, this is not a default Party LAG we're talking about.

[rmarotti]

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Yeah, by the turn I don't see what reasonable hand you could be ahead of. Good fold.

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A better fold would have been preflop out of position vs a tight passive opponent's raise with only one other player in there.

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Folding preflop is very bad IMO.


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Do you really think it's "very bad"? Remember, this is not a default Party LAG we're talking about.

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Doesn't matter. This guy's raising range here is broad regardless of his skill level. He's trying to isolate a probably weak openlimper and this hand plays fine 3-way as long as you got the postflop skills, which OP does.

[James282]

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Yeah, by the turn I don't see what reasonable hand you could be ahead of. Good fold.

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A better fold would have been preflop out of position vs a tight passive opponent's raise with only one other player in there.

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Folding preflop is very bad IMO.


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Do you really think it's "very bad"? Remember, this is not a default Party LAG we're talking about.

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Js Tc 176156 12.85 1192462 86.99 2136 0.16 0.129
Ac Ad 925224 67.50 443394 32.35 2136 0.16 0.675
9h 8h 267238 19.50 1101380 80.35 2136 0.16 0.195

Js Tc 385059 28.09 982532 71.68 3163 0.23 0.282
Kc Ad 598310 43.65 769281 56.12 3163 0.23 0.437
9h 8h 384222 28.03 983369 71.74 3163 0.23 0.281

Getting 5.7:1 with a button who plays poorly(tight-passive) we should be seeing every flop. We will almost always know where we stand postflop, and even if we didn't play better than him, we have more than enough hot-cold equity to make this work postflop. Folding assumes that by calling we will lose more than .5 BB/hand when we call. This simply can not be the case.
-James

[BarronVangorToth]

James' reply above is so far superior to my reply which was going to be "because."

You don't fold that hand in the BB for a bet, only if you're so fearful of your postflop play that you're only comfortable playing huge hands (i.e. a new player - said player shouldn't be jumping into the Party15 anyway).

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

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I think i would muck to the flop 3 bet.

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Me too. I don't play 15/30, but if opponent is tight-passive, I think it's unlikely that he's bluffing or drawing here. If you call 3-bet, what's your plan for turn? Fold unimproved?

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Turn: (6.33 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds .

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