A 2+2 table coach (long)

adamstewart · #1 04-13-2005, 12:04 PM

Sat down at a table yesterday... it quickly becomes apparent that one of the players is a berating, obnoxious, table coach. As you will see, later in the conversation, it becomes evident that he is likely a 2+2’er. Because of his poor behaviour, I will refer to him by his actual Party (or skin) screename: “ManiRegolari.”

The following hand occurs:

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Preflop: Adam is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Adam calls, CO calls, 2 folds, ManiRegolari checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
ManiRegolari checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Adam bets, CO folds, ManiRegolari raises, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Adam calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
 ManiRegolari bets, Adam calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
 ManiRegolari bets, Adam calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

Results below: 
ManiRegolari has Ac Kd (one pair, sevens).
Adam has 6s 5s (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Outcome: Adam wins 8.66 BB. 

The following conversation ensues:

ManiRegolari: lmao
Adam: funny wasn't it
ManiRegolari: yeah....I thought you were good too
ManiRegolari: got to change that view
ManiRegolari: calling station
Adam: shows what you knew..... i suck
ManiRegolari: I agree
ManiRegolari: different kind of suck...but still suck


A few hands later:

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Preflop: Adam is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
 ManiRegolari bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
 ManiRegolari bets, CO calls.

River: (5.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
 ManiRegolari bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Results below: 
ManiRegolari has Qd Js (three of a kind, kings).
CO has 3c 3s (full house, kings full of threes).
Outcome: CO wins 7.66 BB. 

The following conversation ensues:

ManiRegolari: lmao
ManiRegolari: great play
ManiRegolari: advanced
Other Player: ty
Adam: best hand won
ManiRegolari: what an observation “Adam” (not my actual screen name)
ManiRegolari: you sure are a fuc.king idiot
Adam: i know
ManiRegolari: I got to revisit my book
ManiRegolari: how to bluff those that never fold
Adam: you should play 10/20
Adam: they'll respect your raises there
Adam: and you'll clean up


A couple of hands later I’m involved in a hand against ManiRegolari, and I’m feeling frisky:

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Preflop: Adam is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Adam calls, 3 folds, Button :#A500AF(ManiRegolari)/ calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Adam bets, ManiRegolari raises, SB folds, BB folds, Adam calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Adam checks, ManiRegolari bets, Adam calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Adam bets, ManiRegolari calls.

Note: my bet on the river is followed by long pause, then ManiRegolari writes, “lmao”… but ends up calling.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results below: 
Adam has 7h 7c (one pair, sevens).
ManiRegolari has Td Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: ManiRegolari wins 8 BB. 

Then:

Adam: [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])
ManiRegolari: fu.cking moron
Adam: we already covered this
Adam: yes, i am one
ManiRegolari: you are playing terribly
Adam: i know, i suck.... my friend told me this was the best place to learn...
ManiRegolari: for someone with good stats, you do suck
ManiRegolari: you have potential though
Adam: what do you mean, stats?
Other Player: i gues pt


So, a little while later after things calm down a bit, I decide to ‘test the waters’:


PokerDocMD: i was at my uncle's the other day... he has this HUGE lake..... filled with trout..... anyone ever eat brown trout here?

(No Response)


A few hands later:

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Preflop: Adam is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 :#A500AF(ManiRegolari)/ raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, ManiRegolari bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, ManiRegolari checks.

River: (5.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, ManiRegolari calls.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Results below: 
MP2 has Jh Th (one pair, sixes).
ManiRegolari has Kh Ah (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: ManiRegolari wins 7.16 BB. 


ManiRegolari: good river bet
Other Player: thanks smarty
Other Player: I had to
ManiRegolari: you're welcome
ManiRegolari: had to?
ManiRegolari: not sure how the hell you even got to the river


Several hands later:

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Preflop: Adam is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 6 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Adam checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Adam checks, UTG bets, Button folds, SB calls, Adam calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Adam checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Adam calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Adam bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results below: 
SB has 6s Ad (two pair, aces and jacks).
Adam has Ts 8d (straight, ace high).
UTG has Ah Qs (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Adam wins 9.50 BB. [/i]


ManiRegolari: lmao
ManiRegolari: WOW...you ARE bad
Adam: told you
ManiRegolari: do you have more than one player use your account?
PokerDocMD: nope...just lil ol me


I guess he didn’t realize I had a *two* inside straight draws there (the equivalent to an OESD)....still marginal, I know [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Later on:


ManiRegolari: so...”Adam”
ManiRegolari: that lake is filled with a bunch of 2+2 jackasses?
Adam: huh?

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(A few minutes pass, and I have to leave soon….)
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Adam: you are an embarassement, ManiR...
Other Player: I hate mani always have always will


He does not respond to me, and I leave soon after.

MercTec · #2 04-13-2005, 12:15 PM

I think ya slipped and put your party name in there a couple of times. Might want to edit.

Zetack · #3 04-13-2005, 12:19 PM

If you were trying to disguise your screen name, it looks like you could have done a better job.

--Zetack

deacsoft · #4 04-13-2005, 12:21 PM

This could have all possibly been avioded by you doing just one thing... DON'T REPLY TO HIS COMMENT ON THE 1ST HAND YOU POSTED. You said, "funny wasn't it". Don't say a word. You know better.

flair1239 · #5 04-13-2005, 12:50 PM

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This could have all possibly been avioded by you doing just one thing... DON'T REPLY TO HIS COMMENT ON THE 1ST HAND YOU POSTED. You said, "funny wasn't it". Don't say a word. You know better.

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Also all the code talk IMO, is just being too cute by half. If there is another 2+2er at the table, then obviously a conversation could ensue, and it will be obvious that you two know each other from somewhere. That alone could make a bad player uncomfortable. These people are bad at poker, they are not necessarily stupid in general.

adamstewart · #6 04-13-2005, 12:53 PM

A ya,

you're right... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I don't really care, though (it's only one skin name).

Too late to edit anyway...

Adam

Mr. Graff · #7 04-13-2005, 01:03 PM

Exactly, which is why you should never respond to the stupid "sup bro" or brown trout lines. Only bad things can come from that.

college_boy · #8 04-13-2005, 01:12 PM

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Exactly, which is why you should never respond to the stupid "sup bro" or brown trout lines. Only bad things can come from that.

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How is the exchange
"sup bro?"
"sup"
causing bad things?

flair1239 · #9 04-13-2005, 01:17 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Exactly, which is why you should never respond to the stupid "sup bro" or brown trout lines. Only bad things can come from that.

[/ QUOTE ]

How is the exchange
"sup bro?"
"sup"
causing bad things?

[/ QUOTE ]

The exchange itself does not cause bad things. It is the continuing conversation afterwards. Once you start conversing it is obvious that you know each other.

The whole thing (not so much "sup bro", but definetly the "brown trout" greeting) sounds really contrived. Even "sup bro" sounds really dumb, when people start talking about "all county 95".

pshabi · #10 04-13-2005, 01:42 PM

I was at that table. I distinctly remember Maniregolari. I put a few plays on him with some busted hands. I should've shown him.

I also remember your "misplaced" screen name. I must've left before all of the things you mentioned took place.

Crap.