river raise

[joker122]

not that it matters, but he called and showed T7 for 3 pair and MHIG.

what i think it comes down to is that trips or better checkraises this river nearly all the time, and this is an assertion that the opponents of the raise have failed to address.

[B Dids]

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What do you think will call the raise that you beat? I don't like it. You open yourself up to being 3-bet by better hands, while folding out stuff you beat. Your hand has showdown value, so see a showdown. You're not extracting another BB from enough hands that you beat here to make it worthwhile.

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Bingo.

[joker122]

a worse king? a ten?

[B Dids]

You think a ten is paying off a raise on that board? Not often enough to risk getting 3-bet, same with a worse King.

[joker122]

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You think a ten is paying off a raise on that board? Not often enough to risk getting 3-bet, same with a worse King.

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pretty much everyone agrees a worse hand never 3bets this river..

[yellowjack]

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You think a ten is paying off a raise on that board? Not often enough to risk getting 3-bet, same with a worse King.

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I don't think many regular players are capable of bet/folding for just 1 BB if they have a pair.

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You think a ten is paying off a raise on that board? Not often enough to risk getting 3-bet, same with a worse King.

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I don't think many regular players are capable of bet/folding for just 1 BB if they have a pair.

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This is an important point. This is probably true at 1/2, where I play, but I assumed more 5/10 players could fold to a river raise here.

[B Dids]

Even if they pay off a raise, you still get 3-bet often enough that it's yucky, IMO.

[Wynton]

Let's stop talking in absolutes.

It isn't true that people with a made flush or trips will invariably go for a river c/r; in fact, I think a sizable percentage will get scared that the river will be checked and will lead bet.

It's also not invariably true that a worse hand won't call a river raise; many really will.

But my guess is that an unknown 5/10 player who is making that river lead bet has hero beat here a large enough percentage of the time to make a raise -ev.

I agree that calling is best. Not to sound like a roken record, but nothing worse is calling, and it probably isnt forcing out a better hand.