Flopped set, and sandwiched - Page 2

Apathy · #11 03-16-2005, 10:47 AM

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I chose A (smooth call) because I wanted the small stack to go all-in behind. That would allow me to close the betting with an all-in. What do you think of this play?

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Are you sure? I don't think you get the option of reraising as the SB "raise" is not legal and ruled a call (or is that only preflop?

In any event I don't like that, it is a big overbet and your letting utg off easy unless he happens to have the draw.

nokona13 · #12 03-16-2005, 03:09 PM

So I must be weak-aggressive or something. Maybe it's becaue of the levels I play (22s and 33s), but I feel like I see SO many people semi-bluff here with the flush draw. The small stacks only got 145 chips left if I see it right. If he's got the flush draw, he's obviously not going anywhere regardless. But if the other guy's got it, I want him to PAY to see another card. I feel like the 120 bet already signals someone's got at least TP or a high flush draw, so even with a smooth call, the SB isn't going to call with MP or something. I'm raising to 300-350 I think. Do I seem monsters under the bed with the flush draw on the board? I hate losing trips to flushes...

pokerlaw · #13 03-16-2005, 03:18 PM

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I'm raising to 300-350 I think. Do I seem monsters under the bed with the flush draw on the board? I hate losing trips to flushes...

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read my mind.

sofere · #14 03-16-2005, 03:38 PM

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t120</font>, Hero . . .

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Follow up Difficulty situation:
Hero Calls [Raises to 240], SB Calls, BB Folds[, UTG Calls 120]
Turn 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG pushes, hero???

microbet · #15 03-16-2005, 03:49 PM

If you call and a heart comes, you may not lose, but it may shut down the queen.

If there is a flush draw you might get money from them here, but not if the next card isn't a heart.

On the other hand, if the next card isn't a heart the queen will pay.

I lean towards either letting them make a mistake by calling my raise or just taking the pot down there, but I'm not sure.

Benholio · #16 03-16-2005, 04:06 PM

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I chose A (smooth call) because I wanted the small stack to go all-in behind. That would allow me to close the betting with an all-in. What do you think of this play?

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FWIW, thats my exact line here. Get as many chips as possible in right now on the flop, and this is the best way to do it.

EarlCat · #17 03-16-2005, 05:27 PM

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Are you sure? I don't think you get the option of reraising as the SB "raise" is not legal and ruled a call (or is that only preflop?)

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huh?

sofere · #18 03-16-2005, 05:39 PM

If SB reraised all-in, it would not be a "legal" raise as it would not be an amount greater than or equal to the previous raise. Therfore it is treated as a call and can not be reraised.

The reason for this is it you could then deliberately raise to $1 less than the small stacks stack size...then if he reraises that $1 to be all-in, the original raiser could then stick it to anyone who called in front of the short stack by reraising them.

I don't know if that made any sense but I tried [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Paul2432 · #19 03-16-2005, 05:43 PM

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Are you sure? I don't think you get the option of reraising as the SB "raise" is not legal and ruled a call (or is that only preflop?)

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huh?

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An all-in must be at least half the previous bet to re-open the betting*. The bettor bet 120 and the SB will be all-in for 130 so that does not reopen the betting.

Paul

*This is a Party Poker rule. Normally in big-bet games the raise must be at least the size of the previous bet to reopen the betting.

SuitedSixes · #20 03-16-2005, 05:44 PM

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Are you sure? I don't think you get the option of reraising as the SB "raise" is not legal and ruled a call (or is that only preflop?

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The bet is 120, he has 130. If he doesn't fold, he's not going to save his 10 chips, he's going all-in. The guy leading the action is, most likely going to call the 10t (not re-raise), leaving me in position to go over the top of him.