Step Higher 5 - clean hand history - Page 2

kevstreet · #11 04-29-2005, 09:57 AM

I noticed a couple of interesting hands, this one in particular. Do you guys like this call by Genoa St. I know he's a good player, but I'm not sure I make this call. Please let me know what you think?

#Game No : 1968557346
***** Hand History for Game 1968557346 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
z079236 folds.
wsopin05 folds.
gbertell folds.
RoJoSox is all-In [730]
bigjonsta folds.
bikkje is all-In [1345]
genoa_st is all-In [1105]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Ad, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
bikkje shows [ Ac, Ts ] a pair of aces.
genoa_st shows [ 9s, 9d ] a pair of nines.
RoJoSox shows [ Qd, Qc ] a pair of queens.
bikkje wins 140 chips from side pot #2 with a pair of aces.
bikkje wins 1150 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
bikkje wins 2190 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
RoJoSox finished in seventh place.
genoa_st finished in sixth place.
genoa_st has left the table.
RoJoSox has left the table.
Game #1968560509 starts.

TheUsher · #12 04-29-2005, 10:04 AM

This hand looks so weird to most people but if you think about the situation, rojosox could have likely have held any 2 and was pushing to steal blinds, where bikk went all-in to isolate him with a range of say A7+, KT+, small PP's, etc. (haven't slept yet so don't kill me if my hand range is off) Genoa probably figured he wasn't up against a higher PP and he should call since he most likely had the best hand at the moment. That's how I could rationalize his call but then again, maybe someone else could explain it better.

If it were me though, I would have probably folded after watching how everyone else was playing, and noticing that they were playing crazy tight. I remember seeing Rojo fold a couple of normal stealing opportunities so I was almost sure he had a good hand there that could stand up to a showdown. That reason and having to worry about bikk too scares me here if I were in genoa's position.

Rojosox · #13 04-29-2005, 10:23 AM

Hey, I'm at work now, so I can't post hand history. I will tell you, if either of those two goons had any idea the way I play, they both would have folded. Well, Genoa can call me IF the other guy folds..... the call with A10 is terrible, because you don't HAVE to take a chance with A10 especially since I hadn't made more than 2 or 3 moves. Just a terrible call IMO. Genoa's call is even WORSE. He's up aganist a minimum 3 overcards, and most likely someone has a higher pocket pair. Crazy enough he up aganist 2 overs and an overpair. He plays too nutty if you ask me. He autocalls with A9+. I think if that other jerk folded, genoa makes the right call with 99 (with pot odds from BB)....and if that scenario played out I'm pretty sure I would have monied. But alas, it was not to be. It's nice to know that I don't have to question any hands in a tourney this huge. BTW, if anyone did the math, I was 58% to triple up on that hand. Those odds in a 100k tourney seem worthy enough to me.

-Jared

kevstreet · #14 04-29-2005, 11:51 AM

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..... the call with A10 is terrible... Genoa's call is even WORSE

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Jared,

I thought the same thing. I re-read the HH 3 or 4 times to make sure I wasn't missing anything. I guess BKKJE could have put you on any two but after he pushed I couldn't believe Genoa St moved in as well.

Are you planning on giving it another shot anytime soon? If so, good luck!

Rojosox · #15 04-29-2005, 12:16 PM

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..... the call with A10 is terrible... Genoa's call is even WORSE

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Jared,

I thought the same thing. I re-read the HH 3 or 4 times to make sure I wasn't missing anything. I guess BKKJE could have put you on any two but after he pushed I couldn't believe Genoa St moved in as well.

Are you planning on giving it another shot anytime soon? If so, good luck!

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I won my way in via a buy-in direct from step 4. I'm thinking of doing 30 buy-ins at step 2 to see if i can progress just for the hell of it. Im doing very well in tourneys of any kind and went 3/3 in regular step 5s last night (2nd, 3rd, 4th)....i think my game has gotten better 10fold in the last few months. Been averaging in the $ about 44-45% of the time regardless of the buy-in. Thanks for everyone's support regarding the tourney last night. Was nice to know a lot of people were rooting for me! - Jared

ilya · #16 04-29-2005, 12:41 PM

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i'm not going to read it right now, but how was the bubble?

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With the exception of this hand, it was fine...

#Game No : 1968578465
***** Hand History for Game 1968578465 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
bikkje is all-In [3730]
z079236 folds.
gbertell folds.
bigjonsta is all-In [2100]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 3c, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
bikkje shows [ Tc, Qh ] a pair of nines.
bigjonsta shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and nines.
bikkje wins 1330 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of nines.
bigjonsta wins 4950 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and nines.
Game #1968581599 starts.

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What's wrong with this hand? bikkje pushes a reasonable hand into the medium stacks in the blinds; if I remember correctly the button was somewhat short. bigjonsta of course calls.
ok maybe the push was too agressive but it wasn't totally crazy.

TheUsher · #17 04-29-2005, 04:05 PM

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i'm not going to read it right now, but how was the bubble?

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With the exception of this hand, it was fine...

#Game No : 1968578465
***** Hand History for Game 1968578465 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
bikkje is all-In [3730]
z079236 folds.
gbertell folds.
bigjonsta is all-In [2100]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 3c, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
bikkje shows [ Tc, Qh ] a pair of nines.
bigjonsta shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and nines.
bikkje wins 1330 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of nines.
bigjonsta wins 4950 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and nines.
Game #1968581599 starts.

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What's wrong with this hand? bikkje pushes a reasonable hand into the medium stacks in the blinds; if I remember correctly the button was somewhat short. bigjonsta of course calls.
ok maybe the push was too agressive but it wasn't totally crazy.

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It's awful because he didn't push the last hand when he was the button into the 2 short stacks. He should have pushed any 2 there. Now here, he finally decides to push QT.. into the 2nd stack's BB.

Cleveland Guy · #18 04-29-2005, 04:16 PM

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I noticed a couple of interesting hands, this one in particular. Do you guys like this call by Genoa St. I know he's a good player, but I'm not sure I make this call. Please let me know what you think?

#Game No : 1968557346
***** Hand History for Game 1968557346 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
z079236 folds.
wsopin05 folds.
gbertell folds.
RoJoSox is all-In [730]
bigjonsta folds.
bikkje is all-In [1345]
genoa_st is all-In [1105]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Ad, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
bikkje shows [ Ac, Ts ] a pair of aces.
genoa_st shows [ 9s, 9d ] a pair of nines.
RoJoSox shows [ Qd, Qc ] a pair of queens.
bikkje wins 140 chips from side pot #2 with a pair of aces.
bikkje wins 1150 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
bikkje wins 2190 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
RoJoSox finished in seventh place.
genoa_st finished in sixth place.
genoa_st has left the table.
RoJoSox has left the table.
Game #1968560509 starts.

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I thought this hand was terrible too.

Even if you put Rojo on any 2 here - which I think is a stretch, what do you put the 2nd all in on?

ilya · #19 04-29-2005, 05:34 PM

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i'm not going to read it right now, but how was the bubble?

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With the exception of this hand, it was fine...

#Game No : 1968578465
***** Hand History for Game 1968578465 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
bikkje is all-In [3730]
z079236 folds.
gbertell folds.
bigjonsta is all-In [2100]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 3c, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
bikkje shows [ Tc, Qh ] a pair of nines.
bigjonsta shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and nines.
bikkje wins 1330 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of nines.
bigjonsta wins 4950 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and nines.
Game #1968581599 starts.

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What's wrong with this hand? bikkje pushes a reasonable hand into the medium stacks in the blinds; if I remember correctly the button was somewhat short. bigjonsta of course calls.
ok maybe the push was too agressive but it wasn't totally crazy.

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It's awful because he didn't push the last hand when he was the button into the 2 short stacks. He should have pushed any 2 there. Now here, he finally decides to push QT.. into the 2nd stack's BB.

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Ok, I'm confused.
First of all, what does last hand have to do with it? Just because he should have pushed last hand and didn't, doesn't mean he should or shouldn't do it this time.
Also, doesn't he have the most FE of all against the 2nd largest stack?

TheUsher · #20 04-29-2005, 05:44 PM

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i'm not going to read it right now, but how was the bubble?

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With the exception of this hand, it was fine...

#Game No : 1968578465
***** Hand History for Game 1968578465 *****
Table Step Higher 5 #1014153 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
bikkje is all-In [3730]
z079236 folds.
gbertell folds.
bigjonsta is all-In [2100]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 3c, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
bikkje shows [ Tc, Qh ] a pair of nines.
bigjonsta shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and nines.
bikkje wins 1330 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of nines.
bigjonsta wins 4950 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and nines.
Game #1968581599 starts.

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What's wrong with this hand? bikkje pushes a reasonable hand into the medium stacks in the blinds; if I remember correctly the button was somewhat short. bigjonsta of course calls.
ok maybe the push was too agressive but it wasn't totally crazy.

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It's awful because he didn't push the last hand when he was the button into the 2 short stacks. He should have pushed any 2 there. Now here, he finally decides to push QT.. into the 2nd stack's BB.

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Ok, I'm confused.
First of all, what does last hand have to do with it? Just because he should have pushed last hand and didn't, doesn't mean he should or shouldn't do it this time.
Also, doesn't he have the most FE of all against the 2nd largest stack?

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Well, I was just saying that I hated how he thought he should push here risking tons of chips where he was like 99% able to steal the last hand on the button pushing into the 2 small stacks. Seems kinda backwards to me, but yes, it has nothing to do with the hand you posted.

BTW, it's very hard to comment here without the stack sizes, but if I remember correctly, SB/BB had around 3xBB-4xBB or so when he was on the button.