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Old 12-15-2005, 06:45 AM
Gigabet Gigabet is offline
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Default Re: Hand from Bellagion 5 Diamond

That 75 hand wasn't posted correctly, BTW. I did not call an all in bet, I would have folded in that situation. Preflop action is described well enough, but postflop here is how it happened. I checked, Patrick bet 20k, I made it 60k, he then reraised me to 160k. I then pushed, and he instantly called. Immediately I thought he was going to turn over top set when he called so quickly, and was relieved to see KJ. Very nice to win the toss in that spot, but with stacks as deep as ours were, I think that he would have the presence of mind to fold that hand, or others similar. I never am pushing in that spot, against a good player, with the intention of getting called by a worse hand, I just wanted to pick up the pot. I don't feel comfortable playing that large of a pot, when not in position, to the river with a hand as vulnerable as mine was. Patrick definitely is going to put enough pressure on me in later streets to make it nearly impossible to think that my hand could be good, unless it improves.
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:14 AM
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FYI: The Mouth critiques this hand here
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:50 PM
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Given your read of the situation, which I will assume is accurate (it sounds reasonable enough), I really like the way you played this hand. You built up a really big pot for yourself and made the type of bet where she would need near-nuts to call. Sucks that you ran into a monster, but it happens.

The only other factor that I would consider is that this bluff if fairly risky considering she often has a really strong hand when she makes it to the river here. How easily where you accumulating chips from the other players? I am not sure the risk of running into a monster at the expense of your stack was worth it if you had an otherwise soft table. Losing this pot left you with much less room to play, you can't really make too many plays that don't risk too much of your stack anymore.

This play would be much much better if either she had less or you had more chips, where losing it would leave still leave you with a deep stack.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:56 PM
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cant wait for "perfect" steal situations. he had been setting this up for a while, i like the play, regardless of the outcome. she couldve made it this far with AK, or maybe even QQ, which he said he was confident she would fold.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:58 PM
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The STTF thread was moved over here. But if you really want to read Gigabet's full detailed rationale, check it out over there.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:16 PM
KneeCo KneeCo is offline
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Default Re: Hand from Bellagion 5 Diamond

Given your read/history with the villain, I think your line is perfectly justified.
I'm surprised she bet the flop.
It's certainly a nice way to disguise her hand, and probably the better line more often than not against a very good player, but considering that you were playing passive post-flop and that you described your history as:
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we had established that we were not going to get involved in big pots with each other, without very strong holdings.

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The chances of you hitting that flop are obviously very slim, w/ a flopped boat one might assume she would have been inclined to let you catch up a bit with a free turn card.

Best of luck today.

A side note, you don't know what Laak held on the KK laydown, do you?
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:39 PM
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FYI: The Mouth critiques this hand here

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Unfortunately he's critiquing on a hand reported incorrectly
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:08 PM
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That 75 hand wasn't posted correctly, BTW. I did not call an all in bet, I would have folded in that situation. Preflop action is described well enough, but postflop here is how it happened. I checked, Patrick bet 20k, I made it 60k, he then reraised me to 160k. I then pushed, and he instantly called. Immediately I thought he was going to turn over top set when he called so quickly, and was relieved to see KJ. Very nice to win the toss in that spot, but with stacks as deep as ours were, I think that he would have the presence of mind to fold that hand, or others similar. I never am pushing in that spot, against a good player, with the intention of getting called by a worse hand, I just wanted to pick up the pot. I don't feel comfortable playing that large of a pot, when not in position, to the river with a hand as vulnerable as mine was. Patrick definitely is going to put enough pressure on me in later streets to make it nearly impossible to think that my hand could be good, unless it improves.

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dear god, get some sleep man
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