(22) trash from BB

#1 12-12-2005, 11:49 PM

I never know if I should call PF in these spots with 4.5:1 odds and a decent size stack.

Then do you call the flop for so little?
Then the turn...

The raiser had shown a "fishy" hand to get his chips (limped/called a 4xbb raise with Q5o then turned quad Qs). The button was active but I hadn't noticed much more than that.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t795)
UTG+1 (t1695)
MP1 (t590)
MP2 (t955)
MP3 (t598)
CO (t500)
Button (t1167)
SB (t465)
Hero (t1235)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 4 folds, Button calls t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t30.

Flop: (t195) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t30, Button calls t30, Hero calls t30.

Turn: (t285) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) Hero...

Hendricks433 · #2 12-13-2005, 01:55 AM

I just fold this PF myself but now that you got to the turn maybe bet like 175ish? and see what happens.

#3 12-13-2005, 02:02 AM

You should just fold pf, you're out of position, which is gold in NLHE. I guess the flop call is okay, but your are you going to call a minbet again when you miss the turn? If you do, you've now thrown out a total of 120 chips into a pot that really isn't going to improve your position to make it ITM or win.

Now that you have caught on the turn, I'd try the check/raise. If UTG is a fishy Q5o player, then you can probably get him/her to call your c/r.

#4 12-13-2005, 02:04 AM

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I just fold this PF myself but now that you got to the turn maybe bet like 175ish? and see what happens.

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I don't really like this. There is a high chance you are getting raised or at least called, and you still don't know if you are ahead or behind. Maybe check, let them bet t100, min raise it, and if they come over, then top I can fold it. You are paying the same price for more knowledge, plus you get AK and AA to call you down instead of raising you.

Note: I'm dead tired so I don't know if any of this even makes sense.

Hendricks433 · #5 12-13-2005, 02:08 AM

Yeah I like C/R better too. Its late and Im tired [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . Didnt think about it too hard.

tigerite · #6 12-13-2005, 08:08 AM

Please just fold this pf.