($33) neg ROI help continued: Damn you QuasiFiction!

***** Hand History for Game 3207325455 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18311019 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, December 15, 20:32:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 66809 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: kamrann ( $1325 )
Seat 3: CGKVR ( $440 )
Seat 4: Lillschalk ( $1100 )
Seat 5: danmanbaby ( $365 )
Seat 6: CardKeene ( $745 )
Seat 7: stockmaster2 ( $865 )
Seat 8: QuasiFiction ( $1660 )
Seat 9: soma71 ( $900 )
Seat 10: Bazuulbazuul ( $600 )
Trny:18311019 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bazuulbazuul [ Td Th ]
kamrann folds.
CGKVR folds.
Lillschalk folds.
danmanbaby folds.
CardKeene calls [15].
stockmaster2 calls [15].
QuasiFiction raises [65].
soma71 calls [55].
Bazuulbazuul calls [50].
CardKeene calls [50].
stockmaster2 calls [50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 2h, 8s ]
soma71 bets [150].
Bazuulbazuul is all-In.
CardKeene folds.
stockmaster2 folds.
QuasiFiction calls [535].
soma71 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Bazuulbazuul shows [ Td, Th ] two pairs, tens and eights.
QuasiFiction shows [ Ks, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
QuasiFiction wins 1545 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.
Bazuulbazuul finished in ninth place.
Bazuulbazuul has left the table.

I couldn't ask for a better flop that doesn't have a T in it... I wanted to push all the AK/AJs out... with 4ppl in a raised pot, should I have expected overpairs?

[tigerite]

I'd fold preflop (seriously).

Always? I thought I was tight but never dreamed of folding TT in front of a raiser and a cold caller.

When do you fold TT? One raiser? Raiser+caller? Do previous limpers matter too?

[tigerite]

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Always? I thought I was tight but never dreamed of folding TT in front of a raiser and a cold caller.

When do you fold TT? One raiser? Raiser+caller? Do previous limpers matter too?

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Not so much that, look at your stack and the position you will be on the flop, and the fact it's going to be 4 way more than likely at least, and the pot size will mean you are basically pot committed for your stack. So, I'd definitely just let this one go, OR push preflop, either are better than calling IMHO.

How did you lose 200 chips anyway?

[tshort]

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Always? I thought I was tight but never dreamed of folding TT in front of a raiser and a cold caller.

When do you fold TT? One raiser? Raiser+caller? Do previous limpers matter too?

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Not so much that, look at your stack and the position you will be on the flop, and the fact it's going to be 4 way more than likely at least, and the pot size will mean you are basically pot committed for your stack. So, I'd definitely just let this one go, OR push preflop, either are better than calling IMHO.

How did you lose 200 chips anyway?

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Quasi's raise to 65 means AA-QQ or AK. I would fold preflop or play it for set value (it will be paid off against his range).

[gildwulf]

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Always? I thought I was tight but never dreamed of folding TT in front of a raiser and a cold caller.

When do you fold TT? One raiser? Raiser+caller? Do previous limpers matter too?

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Not so much that, look at your stack and the position you will be on the flop, and the fact it's going to be 4 way more than likely at least, and the pot size will mean you are basically pot committed for your stack. So, I'd definitely just let this one go, OR push preflop, either are better than calling IMHO.

How did you lose 200 chips anyway?

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Quasi's raise to 65 means AA-QQ or AK. I would fold preflop or play it for set value (it will be paid off against his range).

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OK, I don't really know Quasi but if this is the case then Tiger is probably right that it is a fold pre-flop. Reads next time please:P

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How did you lose 200 chips anyway?

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I lost the 200 chips the hand before with this play:



***** Hand History for Game 3207317890 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18311019 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, December 15, 20:30:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 66809 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: kamrann ( $1325 )
Seat 3: CGKVR ( $440 )
Seat 4: Lillschalk ( $1100 )
Seat 5: danmanbaby ( $365 )
Seat 6: CardKeene ( $745 )
Seat 7: stockmaster2 ( $865 )
Seat 8: QuasiFiction ( $1675 )
Seat 9: soma71 ( $685 )
Seat 10: Bazuulbazuul ( $800 )
Trny:18311019 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bazuulbazuul [ 9h 9c ]
Bazuulbazuul calls [15].
kamrann folds.
CGKVR folds.
Lillschalk folds.
danmanbaby folds.
CardKeene folds.
stockmaster2 folds.
QuasiFiction calls [5].
soma71 raises [60].
Bazuulbazuul raises [185].
QuasiFiction will be using his time bank for this hand.
QuasiFiction folds.
soma71 is all-In.
Bazuulbazuul folds.
soma71 does not show cards.
soma71 wins 900 chips



Was representing a monster limping UTG, then got a bad case of chickenshititis when Soma pushed my RR. Another example of early aggression gone bad. I'm starting to think this may be my leak-du-juor.



Edited for spelling.

[tigerite]

Wow, no, don't do that. That's awful.

[gildwulf]

I think you played it fine and don't agree about pre-flop fold. There is a LOT of dead money in that pot and TT is relatively easy to get away from.

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I think you played it fine and don't agree about pre-flop fold. There is a LOT of dead money in that pot and TT is relatively easy to get away from.

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Except, of course, that it wasn't.