Why its important to know when to fold KK preflop....200 NL lowcontent

pokerjoker · #1 08-17-2005, 12:59 AM

...why its important to know when to fold KK preflop.....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP2 ($205)
MP3 ($187)
CO ($339.10)
Button ($447.52)
SB ($92)
BB ($67.50)
UTG ($196)
UTG+1 ($100.10)
UTG+2 ($71.28)
Hero ($257.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, MP2 calls $8, MP3 calls $8, CO raises to $40, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, MP2 calls $32, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($101) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $65, CO raises to $165, MP2 calls $100 (All-In).

Turn: ($431) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($431) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $431
Main Pot: $431, between MP2 and CO. > Pot won by CO ($431).

MP2 has 5h 5s (one pair, fives).
CO has Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO wins $431.

gol4pro · #2 08-17-2005, 01:34 AM

Before I even looked at the results... why are you so sure he has AA here? What were his stats? Anyone with a PFR of 4+, I'm probably reraising to 105 against.

pokerjoker · #3 08-17-2005, 01:45 AM

Although I didnt have that many hands on him, he had a low pfr % and had been playing conservatively up till now. I didnt have much stats on the guy that called with 5s.

Allinlife · #4 08-17-2005, 01:48 AM

you must hate money

pokerjoker · #5 08-17-2005, 01:56 AM

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you must hate money

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Man I am taking a lot of shyit for this one.....A conservative winning player that does not raise much raises to $40 after a raise and a caller....I figure either QQ or AA with AA being more likely...I didnt know the 5s were coming along for the ride either....you really think that bad???

PS this is one of the about 2-3 times I have folded KK pf.

Zukeman66 · #6 08-17-2005, 02:02 AM

I'd only consider not pushing with KK preflop if I got severely limp-raised.

djoyce003 · #7 08-17-2005, 02:29 AM

never fold KK preflop
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EVER

#8 08-17-2005, 02:52 AM

nice read phil helmuth

savman · #9 08-17-2005, 03:17 AM

i read an article in which the author stated he would NEVER lay down KK preflop on party. i agree.

BZ_Zorro · #10 08-17-2005, 03:31 AM

You've got a 4x preflop raiser and 2 callers...and he makes a big reraise. AA, QQ, JJ, and AKs would be played like this at $200. Since you're the pf raiser, I push this without hesistation, there's enough in the pot for a crying call.

Not an awful laydown on your part, but saying this is just AA is way off at $200.