Is there any reason to open limp UTG?

[ianlippert]

or open limp any pot, for that matter? I feel like whenever you are in a position to open a pot, you should raise or fold. You should look at your hand and figure if it can beat x number of random hands. If it can raise, otherwise fold.

Also when I open limp I feel like I'm trying to get 'lucky' in that nobody raises me. If ppl do open limp UTG what are some hands that you do it with?

[BarronVangorToth]

There are a lot of hands to limp in early position with.

Check out Small Stakes Hold 'em p.82

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[jstewsmole]

I personally limp with stuff like AT orAJ or KJ maybe KQ though i might pop it with KQ depending on the mood im in. If the game is really loose(passive would be preferred) suited aces and medium and small pairs id limp with. but in ur average game i would not raise AJ or AT or KJ (assuming u play those hands utg period)because u basically get everyone to fold except hands that are probably beating u or dominating u and they have the position. thats not a position id like to be in personally.

[AAAAdam]

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I personally limp with stuff like AT, AJ, KJ and maybe KQ though i might pop it with KQ depending on the mood im in. If the game is really loose(passive would be preferred) suited aces and medium and small pairs id limp with. but in ur average game i would not raise AJ or AT or KJ (assuming u play those hands utg period)because u basically get everyone to fold except hands that are probably beating u or dominating u and they have the position. thats not a position id like to be in personally.

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I agree. You lose too much information and one bet by raising with these hands. Someone who has you dominated will likely raise. If the flop comes low and you don't connect, I'd argue that checking this through is the tack. With high cards on the flop that don't connect, I'd argue check/fold will save you more money over time. On occasion, I'd also try betting in this situation. It might get you a free turn.

My $.02 ... Adam

[holdem2000]

How do you play small pocket pairs? Usually the only reason to play small pairs in a cash game is limp and try to hit a set. Also sometimes in an agressive game you should limp/reraise aces or even kings. There are some hands you might want to see a flop with even if you don't think you currently have the best hand - maybe you want to limp with suited connectors every now and then.

[maxor]

I think hands like 99 - 77, AJ, KQ, Q10, K10, A10, QJ, KJ etc. are limping hands from EP. Smaller pocket pairs are too vulnerable to domination from EP. You usually have to improve substantially to win with a had like 44 when you're out of position like that.

[blackize]

If you limp with 77-99 you will most likely have to improve substantially to win too. Especially since your limp makes it ok for lots of other hands to come in. Also by limping with something like 77-99 youre just begging for someone with overcards to stick around on any flop thats good for you. Q10 and K10 are hands you should play from LP only those are hands that are likely to be dominated.

[PotatoStew]

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I think hands like 99 - 77, AJ, KQ, Q10, K10, A10, QJ, KJ etc. are limping hands from EP.

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I wouldn't advise playing QT or KT very often from EP.

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Smaller pocket pairs are too vulnerable to domination from EP.

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I'd much rather play a small pocket pair from EP in a typical game then some of the other hands you mentioned. They're much easier to know where you stand with and to get away from post flop when necessary.

[maxor]

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I think hands like 99 - 77, AJ, KQ, Q10, K10, A10, QJ, KJ etc. are limping hands from EP.

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I wouldn't advise playing QT or KT very often from EP.


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Nor would I, however depending on the game, they are sometimes playable.

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Smaller pocket pairs are too vulnerable to domination from EP.

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I'd much rather play a small pocket pair from EP in a typical game then some of the other hands you mentioned. They're much easier to know where you stand with and to get away from post flop when necessary.

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Hrm. Not so much in my experience. I just checked SSHE for kicks and in the preflop play section it mentions avoiding small pairs from EP in a typical game, food for thought.

[PotatoStew]

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Nor would I, however depending on the game, they are sometimes playable.

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That's why I qualified my statement by saying I wouldn't play them "very often." Sure it's correct at times, depending on the game, I just think that it's more often not correct.

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Hrm. Not so much in my experience. I just checked SSHE for kicks and in the preflop play section it mentions avoiding small pairs from EP in a typical game, food for thought.

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I thought I remembered one of the lists in there saying pocket pairs were ok from EP ... the loose game list maybe? I'll have to go back and check. At any rate, it depends (again) on the game. In the low limit games I've played (.50/1, 2/4, and casino 3/6) I feel perfectly comfortable limping a low pocket pair from EP *most* of the time. Now that I'm playing 3/6 online, I see a need to tighten up a little in this respect, but relatively speaking, in a situation where it's not correct to limp EP with a low PP, I'm pretty sure it's even less correct to limp with QT for instance, which was really my point.