Flopped nuts turns to scary huge pot

I like the flop call. There are a lot of hands SB can have here, you are way ahead of. Also MP could come along for a ride. Play passive and let SB hang himself.

I probably call the turn too. After his bet obviously a made flush is a possibility, but so is 2 pair, a set, another JQ or even AK trying to protect his hand. In fact, he bet the flop kind of strong for a draw. I'd say you are about even money and if he has the flush, you do have slight redraw possibilites with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] .Maybe you should push here. Your money is going in anyway.

[swolfe]

never slowplay straights

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never slowplay straights

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This is a silly generalization. I come from the school of thought that says fast-playing is the new slow-playing, and the best way to win a big pot is by playing the nuts or a monster very fast.

In this case, though, if you're certain that the villain will continue to hang himself, I think it's decision time. If you decide that he will continue to lead hard at the pot no matter what comes, you've got to decide that another club will not get you off the hand and calling might be a better option -- a raise could chase him away.

However, you've said that villain wouldn't seem to bet with air, and in the rare case that he is on a flush draw, a raise to $35 or so would be appropriate. You've also got the other opponent behind.

So I would say bomb this flop, comfortable that you're likely to get action from the villain and with a small possibility that you'll get action from the other opponent. ALMOST always play a hand like this fast -- but don't blindly decide to play a straight the same way every time.

[tripp0807]

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never slowplay straights

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This is a silly generalization. I come from the school of thought that says fast-playing is the new slow-playing, and the best way to win a big pot is by playing the nuts or a monster very fast.

In this case, though, if you're certain that the villain will continue to hang himself, I think it's decision time. If you decide that he will continue to lead hard at the pot no matter what comes, you've got to decide that another club will not get you off the hand and calling might be a better option -- a raise could chase him away.

However, you've said that villain wouldn't seem to bet with air, and in the rare case that he is on a flush draw, a raise to $35 or so would be appropriate. You've also got the other opponent behind.

So I would say bomb this flop, comfortable that you're likely to get action from the villain and with a small possibility that you'll get action from the other opponent. ALMOST always play a hand like this fast -- but don't blindly decide to play a straight the same way every time.

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It most certainly is not a silly generalization. Straights are totally vulnerable - especially when there's a flush draw out there and people are leading into you.

This is a bad flat call. I am guilty of making the same move, but it will come back to haunt you often enough.

I'm definitley raising this flop. To what amount I dont know, but I might employ a push here. I think a large "over-raise" here will/might accomplish 3 things ....

1. Appear weak.
2. Definitley protect your hand
3. Although it wont result in a call as often, I think it might be more +EV then a standard raise.

I'm not saying its definitley the right move, just giving an arguement for it.

[/ QUOTE ] It most certainly is not a silly generalization. Straights are totally vulnerable - especially when there's a flush draw out there and people are leading into you.

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I'm not saying I like slow-playing a made hand. I'm just saying that if you're up against a guy who is 66/28, sometimes you simply have to decide that villain is not drawing to a flush. If you shut down every time the third of a suit comes on board, you'll get blown out of big pots too easily.

That said, I would have also bombed this flop, especially with another opponent in the hand.

Heads up, I agree with a flop raise. However, we still have the PF raiser in the hand. I'd like him to come along with his AK or KQ. A big raise here might scare off AA.

I don't think we can start putting every SB overbet on a draw here, particularly with the given read. I think JQ, KT, K9, AK, 99, TT are more likely. Your straight is only vulnerable to a set making a boat (I can live with 2 pair drawing to 4 outs)

On the turn, you have to either fold or push. If you call and he doesn't have the nut flush another [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is going to kill your action on the river.