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Old 11-29-2005, 10:19 AM
punter11235 punter11235 is offline
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Default basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

I think I started making some stupid things recently so I am questioning basic lines... Villain in this hand in unknown 30/10 after 50 hands. No other reads yet.
I dont know what to do on the flop... I suspect calling is standard but what's my plan on the blank turn ? check-fold ? bet fold ? What's standard here ?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($1629)
SB ($435.50)
BB ($1278)
Hero ($1025)
MP ($815)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, MP calls $35, Button calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $160</font>, Button folds, Hero calls $80.

Turn: ($440) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $250</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $690

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:26 AM
Allinlife Allinlife is offline
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

gotta fold that on flop w/o solid reads because it's impossible to extract more from worse hands / or get cheap showdown OOP (because you will likely be forced to check most turns, showing somewhat of a weakness).

I think turn bluff looks good, the bet size makes it look like a value bet, kind of bet you'd make with sets/ AJ.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

Unless theyve been messing with you or calling lots of your open raises in position then easy fold on teh flop to the minraise with no draws on board.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

i like the way u played this hand.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:48 AM
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Yeah, but what happens if that A doesnt hit. I think that A really helped you out on this hand. If a blank low card comes off do you still bet?
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:49 AM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

yes.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

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do you still bet?

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My original plan was to bet a blank turn. I am not sure about it.. (that's why I post the hand). I think Villain often have lower pair or he hit his connector as natural play with J is a call for most Villains. I dont know if it is worth continuing though.
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

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do you still bet?

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My original plan was to bet a blank turn. I am not sure about it.. (that's why I post the hand). I think Villain often have lower pair or he hit his connector as natural play with J is a call for most Villains. I dont know if it is worth continuing though.

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If you are often betting turn then why not reraise flop? You avoid giving him a chance to catch something and there might be other benefits. Waiting to see a blank makes more sense on a drawing board where there is a greater spread in the danger posed by different turn cards.

I'd fold to the raise myself but am curious why betting turn is the obvious line when you do play on?

James
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: basic line where I think I am losing money - 5/10 6max

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I'd fold to the raise myself but am curious why betting turn is the obvious line when you do play on?



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I am not sure its obvious but if I call the flop raise and check the turn I practically giving up the pot (cause Villain will probably bet). If have the best hand now I will take it down on the blank turn plus I have some chances to bluff Villain out if good card hit (A,K if he has J or J if he has 1010-QQ) the problems is that it costs me 320 which is much money for a hand which doesnt have any "extracting" possibilities (that mean that I wont be able to make any value bets unless 9 hit).

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Old 11-29-2005, 12:04 PM
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Why did you call the raise to $160 with the jack on board? To me it looks like the villain put you on AK and folded when the A hit .
Also according to Sklansky and Malmuth 99 is a calling hand in early position.
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