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Old 12-29-2005, 04:49 PM
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If you bet close to the pot on the flop this hand would be very easy to play.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:00 PM
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If you bet close to the pot on the flop this hand would be very easy to play.

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I don't think it is "very easy". But since you say so, please explain.

Leptyne outlined it extremely well with the overbet.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:14 PM
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If you are running super LAG, I would just get it all in right there and then on the flop.

As played, I think you have to ck this turn given villain's less than average trickiness and rock status.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:33 PM
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If you bet close to the pot on the flop this hand would be very easy to play.


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I don't think it is "very easy". But since you say so, please explain.

Leptyne outlined it extremely well with the overbet.

I hope this doesn't sound to harsh, but you are a moron if you don't want to get all your money in on this flop. If you bet pot he raises you can easily move the rest in on the flop. If he has a flopped straight you have great equity. By only betting half the pot on the flop hero couldn't get all the money in on the flop and had a very dificult decision on the turn.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:05 AM
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If you bet close to the pot on the flop this hand would be very easy to play.


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I don't think it is "very easy". But since you say so, please explain.

Leptyne outlined it extremely well with the overbet.

I hope this doesn't sound to harsh, but you are a moron if you don't want to get all your money in on this flop. If you bet pot he raises you can easily move the rest in on the flop. If he has a flopped straight you have great equity. By only betting half the pot on the flop hero couldn't get all the money in on the flop and had a very dificult decision on the turn.

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That decision does have a price...especially against a rock...and that decision is consistency. I bet half the pot because I try to keep my bet sizes consistent...whether I have ace high, an overpair, a set, 2 pair, quads, or a draw. I realize that this seems easy in a vacuum, and people may argue otherwise, but there is value in keeping flop play consistent even if it costs EV on a particular hand. That is, of course, beyond the scope of this discussion. At 100NL or less, people aren't paying enough attention to make this matter. I do feel that the metagame is important at this level, however.

If I was against a superfish, I would make the push here, however, because I'm likely to get called by a TPMK or something of that nature...and most players will know why I did that (because the guy is a superfish)...so it wouldn't be a breaking of that consistency.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:08 AM
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You should be betting more on draw heavy flops with A-high so you can protect your hand when you have a real hand. A half pot flop bet on K83r is fine but not on T96 suited.
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:45 AM
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You should be betting more on draw heavy flops with A-high so you can protect your hand when you have a real hand. A half pot flop bet on K83r is fine but not on T96 suited.

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OK, I understand what you're saying now. I thought you were advocating changing the bet amount based on your hole cards. Instead, you are changing based on the board....which is fine and likely to be superior.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:44 AM
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i'd pot the flop and push after his raise, especially if i have a LAG image. hopefully he didn't flop the straight or TTT.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:55 AM
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I hope this doesn't sound to harsh, but you are a moron if you don't want to get all your money in on this flop.

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If you read my post above, I said to push. Your simplistic reply wasn't clear.
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